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Old November 30 2013, 10:14 PM   #16
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Re: Sad/happy/bittersweet endings

Our struggles all end in death.

I would have preferred a more ambiguous ending for NuBSG, though there was a certain peace to it which was also nice. Out of the darkness of space, into the sun.
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Old November 30 2013, 10:41 PM   #17
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Re: Sad/happy/bittersweet endings

"Revelations" would have been the ending if the writers' strike had gone on just a bit longer.
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Old November 30 2013, 11:24 PM   #18
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It depends. Ambiguous endings are the best.

I'm not a big fan of "Happily Ever After…" Disney versions of things. Not after reading some of the Tales the films were based on.
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Old November 30 2013, 11:26 PM   #19
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I think Revelations would have been a rather typical sci fi ending. I'm glad it didn't end there.
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Old December 1 2013, 12:38 AM   #20
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So, either way, Tom Cruise's obnoxious son, his endlessly screaming and hyperventilating daughter, and Cruise himself are most likely screwed just as soon as Morgan Freeman finishes his monologue (not even evil genocidal aliens will interrupt that golden voice).
One of the most annoying families in the history of movies being wiped out - that is a happy ending I would have liked to see.

The Native Americans though, everything worked out great for them in the end.
I am sadden by the ending of Dances With Wolves because I know that everyone's happiness will be shorrt-lived. Terrible things will befall them in a matter of years.

If the film's basic story is "guy has to fight against death" and then dies, what is the fucking point? Don't give me that "it's all about the journey" crap. The journey is absolutely pointless if the outcome is "he did not overcome the obstacles". Just imagine how absolutely pointless Lord of the Rings would be if, at the very end, Sauron kills Frodo, gets the ring and destroys all humans. Yay! What a waste of paper, ink and eventually celluloid. Now imagine Sauron actually manages to do all that, but the story continues with a new set of characters that finally manage to defeat him. Now that's would be better.
I take it you aren't a great fan of the endings of The Road, Thelma and Louise and Dead Man?

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Old December 1 2013, 01:09 AM   #21
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If the film's basic story is "guy has to fight against death" and then dies, what is the fucking point? Don't give me that "it's all about the journey" crap. The journey is absolutely pointless if the outcome is "he did not overcome the obstacles". Just imagine how absolutely pointless Lord of the Rings would be if, at the very end, Sauron kills Frodo, gets the ring and destroys all humans. Yay! What a waste of paper, ink and eventually celluloid. Now imagine Sauron actually manages to do all that, but the story continues with a new set of characters that finally manage to defeat him. Now that's would be better.
I take it you aren't a great fan of the endings of The Road, Thelma and Louise and Dead Man?
I'd say that's true. Haven't seen The Road, but the description of the ending on Wikipedia tells me I'd hate it.

Similar offender: No Country For Old Men. A good first half, or even two thirds, and then utterly ruined by the last act.
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Old December 1 2013, 03:30 PM   #22
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I want the story to make sense and have a point.

If the film's basic story is "guy has to fight against death" and then dies, what is the fucking point?
Everyone loses a fight against death eventually. Those stories shouldn't be off-limits. Somebody in some movie even said "How we face death is as least as important as how we face life."

Defeat is the beginning or middle of a story, not the end.
Unless it is the end. For every winner there's a loser, and it is not always the good guys. Some struggles come up short, but we often learn more from defeat from winning. You may not like it personally, but it's a perfectly valid kind of story.

Similar offender: No Country For Old Men. A good first half, or even two thirds, and then utterly ruined by the last act.
Disagreed. The last third elevates it from a fairly engaging chase movie to a personal story that approaches cinematic greatness.

For a great take on "Hollywood happy endings" I'd recommend Robert Altman's The Player, 1992.
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Old December 4 2013, 08:14 PM   #23
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Why do so many people want happy endings for books or movies even when that happy ending is unrealistic or forced?
Guilty as charged. I prefer happy ends because life is terrible enough. I want a little happiness at least in fiction.
It seems that American movies are the ones that have more happy endings than movies from elsewhere. Do you think this is what most Americans want or not?
I don't know why they do it but they even alter Grimm's fairy tales! In the original texts the evil guys get burned to death, drawn and quartered or put into barrels with nails and rolled down a hill. Snowwhite's stepmom must dance in red-hot iron shoes till she drops dead. In the American versions they are just left behind when their victims escape.
Maybe - but that's only a speculation - altering things helps Americans to feel that those things belong to them. By changing them they make them theirs. And maybe there's just a tiny hint of we-can-do-everything-better-than-you attitude.
*ducks and waits for flying pies from across the Atlantic*
Can you think of any book or movie that would have been improved by having a sadder ending (or vice versa)?
Perhaps the last episode of VOY. It was a bit too artificial in my opinion. The writers tried desperately to tie all lose ends up and the result was a big tuft intead of a smooth yarn.
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Old December 4 2013, 08:22 PM   #24
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I prefer happy ends because life is terrible enough. I want a little happiness at least in fiction.
I totally agree.

I mean, I don't expect to ever see happy endings; I'm just happy when, by some stroke of luck, we get some. As you say, life is bad enough. Fiction should be uplifting!
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Old December 4 2013, 08:27 PM   #25
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that's propably why Trek and Star Wars are still so popular: the goodies always win, no matter what the odds are.
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Old December 10 2013, 02:31 AM   #26
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I prefer my entertainment to make me laugh or at the very least to not depress me. There is enough nastiness and depressing news in life, I choose to be amused and try to pick entertainment that does that.
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Old December 10 2013, 05:05 AM   #27
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I always wondered why people watch something that disturbs and depresses them.
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Old December 10 2013, 05:34 AM   #28
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Re: Sad/happy/bittersweet endings

I like ambiguous, bittersweet, or sad endings quite a bit. Happy endings are fine in certain circumstances, but I normally find them to be a bit of a lie and I don't think they're particularly helpful. When I see a movie that touches me or disturbs me, I'm having a real experience, one that will no doubt touch my life in some regard. The ending of Mulholland Drive absolutely slays me every time and I find it transcendent. I would never want to see a happy ending version of that film.
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Old December 10 2013, 07:42 AM   #29
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I like happy/sad endings. Like, endings that are so happy that they make me cry. Like the last episode of LOST, where I started crying 5 separate times.
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Old December 10 2013, 08:00 AM   #30
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On a similar note, Hollywood also tends to overdramatize everything with stupid characters and contrivances. Had Apollo 13 been fictional, they would have tried to kill each other, one would have had to sacrifice himself due to a technical malfunction and eventually, only one would have survived, but with an outlook to a terrible trauma.
Reminds me of The Core. Ridiculous idea, where pretty much every single character dies except for the 2 main characters, because they are each respective love interests.

But I can't, off the top of my head, think of a more depressing movie than "My Girl".

Who the fuck thinks killing the girl's only friend while everything else in the girl's life is going to shit was a good idea?
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