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Old November 29 2013, 05:17 PM   #31
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Re: Why Star Trek Sucks

well, some of that is fair criticism. I've seen the "sterile culture" criticism of it before, and it's true. They all seem to like Shakespeare and classical music. It's beyond absurd. We do see some of Riker and jazz, but we needed some characters with more low-brow tastes. Don't people enjoy old trashy TV and rock music?

And of course the "single culture" aliens thing is true, but it's a necessary part of the show if the idea is to use alien cultures as metaphors for stuff.
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Old November 29 2013, 05:21 PM   #32
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^However, I would have to ask how the author's examples of good sci-fi--Aliens, Terminator, and Jurassic Park--deal with such issues. It's not like the Terminator went back in time to kill (then save) a Tuvan boy.
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Old November 29 2013, 05:29 PM   #33
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well, some of that is fair criticism. I've seen the "sterile culture" criticism of it before, and it's true. They all seem to like Shakespeare and classical music. It's beyond absurd. We do see some of Riker and jazz, but we needed some characters with more low-brow tastes. Don't people enjoy old trashy TV and rock music?

And of course the "single culture" aliens thing is true, but it's a necessary part of the show if the idea is to use alien cultures as metaphors for stuff.
Well, Tom Paris was rather fond of low-brow black and white sci-fi as well as old cartoons, and B'Elanna read Klingon romance novels. But yeah, apart from that aliens are a lot classier in the future.
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Old November 29 2013, 06:34 PM   #34
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So, some other nameless moron wants to dump on Star Trek and it's fans.

What's the saying? Oh yes, "been there, done that".

One thing though: In his paragraph on conventions, he mentions how we "Trek Nazis", "bar people from wearing other non-Star Trek costumes", or "bar deals from selling other non-Star Trek related items". This is the first I've ever heard of this. Granted, I've only attended one convention (in 1994, no less), but I've never heard of this. Any truth to it, or is it, like the rest of the article, bullshit?
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Old November 29 2013, 07:50 PM   #35
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I did like that TNG:'Suspicions' had that Ferengi scientist. It was kind of cool that at least once it was suggested the Ferengi weren't all just businessmen and entrepreneurs. Although who knows, if he had survived, maybe Doctor Reyga would have ultimately wanted to sell his metaphasic shielding to the highest bidder?
We saw a Klingon scientist once too, didn't we? Might've even been the same episode.
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Old November 29 2013, 09:35 PM   #36
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So, some other nameless moron wants to dump on Star Trek and it's fans.

What's the saying? Oh yes, "been there, done that".

One thing though: In his paragraph on conventions, he mentions how we "Trek Nazis", "bar people from wearing other non-Star Trek costumes", or "bar deals from selling other non-Star Trek related items". This is the first I've ever heard of this. Granted, I've only attended one convention (in 1994, no less), but I've never heard of this. Any truth to it, or is it, like the rest of the article, bullshit?
It's BS. And real stinky BS at that. I've been regularly attending the Denver Star Trek conventions for thirty years, and have never, and I mean NEVER, encountered even that mindset, let alone the practice. If the author encountered such, it wasn't at any convention worthy of the name Star Trek.
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Old November 29 2013, 09:48 PM   #37
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^He's probably exaggerating. Maybe he met one person he thought was a dickwad that said trek was better than whatever this guy likes, and he inflated it to hordes of "Trek Nazis." I've certainly never heard of it before. But he seems pretty butthurt, since he's lashing out at anyone who goes to conventions.

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Old November 29 2013, 10:03 PM   #38
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Conventions are nothing like that. They are fun and full of all kinds of people, most not in costume and non-Trek costumes not uncommon.

It's really a snotty little piece.
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Old November 29 2013, 11:17 PM   #39
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There is truth in a lot of what this article says, but nothing that really matters. The grievances range from petty nitpicks to fashionably cynical "IDEALISM STOOPID" stuff and he throws around the word "Socialist" with the objectivity and accuracy of Sean Hannity.

He's the kind of person who equates "I disagree that this is how human beings would act in any situation because it does not jive with my politics and personal worldview" with "This is stupid and unrealistic".
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Old November 29 2013, 11:31 PM   #40
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well, some of that is fair criticism. I've seen the "sterile culture" criticism of it before, and it's true. They all seem to like Shakespeare and classical music. It's beyond absurd. We do see some of Riker and jazz, but we needed some characters with more low-brow tastes. Don't people enjoy old trashy TV and rock music?

And of course the "single culture" aliens thing is true, but it's a necessary part of the show if the idea is to use alien cultures as metaphors for stuff.
Well, Tom Paris was rather fond of low-brow black and white sci-fi as well as old cartoons, and B'Elanna read Klingon romance novels. But yeah, apart from that aliens are a lot classier in the future.
Bashir was obsessed with James Bond and fetishized 1940s lounge music. Quark had decidedly lowbrow tastes. And I seem to recall somebody giving somebody else a mystery novel at some point in TNG, but I might be thinking of Galactica.

Really most of the 'sterile culture' criticisms of TNG apply to the first season where six year olds learn calculus. After that they really laid off that angle.
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Old November 29 2013, 11:54 PM   #41
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There are things like Picard and his Dixon Hill adventures, Data and Sherlock Holmes, Janeway and her gothic romance holonovel, those give a fairly diverse selection of tastes too. Sure, Dixon Hill and Holmes are both detectives, but there's a big difference in the style. Beverly was big on amateur theater. Miles and Bashir liked playing darts, and trains too I think, and all kinds of silly boyish hobbies. And there's regular poker games and gambling at Quark's.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:05 AM   #42
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And I seem to recall somebody giving somebody else a mystery novel at some point in TNG, but I might be thinking of Galactica.
Yeah, that was Adama loaning a hardcover mystery to Roslin. Don't ask me the episode, but I think it was an early one.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:23 AM   #43
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Let's not forget Sisko's love of baseball. Troi seemed pretty fond of westerns in that one ep.
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Old November 30 2013, 01:28 AM   #44
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Really most of the 'sterile culture' criticisms of TNG apply to the first season where six year olds learn calculus. After that they really laid off that angle.
I actually thought the show got more sterile the longer it went on.
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Old November 30 2013, 01:35 AM   #45
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Let's not forget Sisko's love of baseball. Troi seemed pretty fond of westerns in that one ep.

Oh, and Vulcan Love Slave proved pretty popular all around.
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