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Old November 29 2013, 10:42 AM   #16
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Re: Why Star Trek Sucks

Some of the points as someone else has said I agree with with but this is a franchise that covers 30 Seasons and 12 Movies. You're bound to find some problems.

I agree that it seems impossible that the TNG forward Klingons have ever achieved a technology that could match the Federation.

The Shakespeare quoting Klingons aren't meant to be taken literally...

Time travel stories are all boring... I don't think so. Just some generalisations to make him seem clever.

Lots of Star Trek episodes have messages even deeper than those of Aliens or Jurassic Park, or Terminator 2 .

Evil twin and other recurring themes - that happens in 30 seasons. Christmas episodes must have been a TNG or DS9 thing because I can't remember any in Voyager or TOS or TAS.

The worst thing this guy has done, the reason he needs to be tied up in a chair in front of a TV with his eyes forced open by toothpicks compelled to watch continuous episodes with the Kardasian family...
is having a swipe at the fans of Star Trek.


He says "I used to think Scifi Conventions were neat getaways where you could forget everything and just be a kid again".
But Star Trek conventions consist of a whole society of degenerate, unclean, geeks, fat pukes, bad droolers who spend all their money on useless worthless things in his opinion instead of their rent.

I've been to a couple of conventions. People are just having fun together. So what if you pay $200 for a uniform. If you can afford it why not? You know my in-laws say why buy a $30 Starship model but its OK for them to spend $500 on a pair of shoes.

Hes got a big fat mouth. I want him to come here and say all that.
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Old November 29 2013, 11:30 AM   #17
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Christmas episodes??

It's mentioned once in TOS, and Picard has his Christmas Nexus fantasy. Is it ever mentioned otherwise?
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Old November 29 2013, 11:52 AM   #18
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Christmas episodes??

It's mentioned once in TOS, and Picard has his Christmas Nexus fantasy. Is it ever mentioned otherwise?
Sorry I don't mean Christmas literally - he says like a birthday or Christmas episode where they have flashbacks from old episodes - so cliched.
I honestly can't think of one myself. Not in TOS. In VOY and TNG I thought they usually had a two-parter at the end of Season. Not a summing up episode. I may be wrong though?
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Old November 29 2013, 12:08 PM   #19
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There were never any summing up eps in VOY. I think TNG had a montage ep that people disliked, and DS9's finale had a montage.
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Old November 29 2013, 12:27 PM   #20
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"Shades of Grey" wrapped up TNG's second season. It is the episode that originated that iconic image of Riker laying down, his eyes closed, head stuck in this machine and all these glass tubes from it poking into his head. Essentially, Riker had been in a medical emergency that required past memories to be relived, so that his body's neural responses to them would weaken the alien infection which had invaded his body. Which was more shitful: TNG's "Shades of Grey" or STAR WARS: Caravan of Courage? That's the question which no one seems to have an answer for ...
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Old November 29 2013, 01:48 PM   #21
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I have to be honest: while I think he goes a bit too hard on Star Trek (and goes for the obvious attacks, re: for example the well-worn 'Deanna states the obvious' criticism), there are other parts of the article where he definitely has a point.

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We have the Klingons, equally on par with the federation technologically, yet ruled by a singular fuedal warlord society. They can create impressive starships that are a match for the Federation, yet they know nothing of personal hygene or dental care. They know computers, but seem to have no patience to deal with any technology or people -- which would be neccesary for technological development. Klingons seem more prone to smashing computer screens in frustration, rather than being capable of making them or programming them.
This is a fair comment. While I think Klingon honor and society does make for an interesting tapestry, it does also somewhat clash for a supposedly space-faring species to be so reliant on what (on the outside) sometimes appears to be an apparently medieval mindset. At least in TOS the Klingons were a believable opposite to our own culture, and it was much easier to believe in them as being a technology sophisticated, space-faring (if somewhat brutal at times) people. The later incarnations of Trek sometimes went too far IMO in portraying them as primitive and backwards, to the point where it does rather undermine their credibility somewhat.
I just assume that the tech wizards who build all this stuff, and are surely unappreciated in a warrior society, don't travel in space, outside of the occasional engineer to keep all the tech working. The strongest, meanest, and sometimes dumbest Klingons are the ones we see. Sure, they seem pretty strange by our pov, but these are aliens, and having them be so different from us is part of the fun.
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Old November 29 2013, 01:50 PM   #22
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The article implies that Star Trek is full of these montage episodes. Maybe he's including 'The Menagerie' P1 and P2 but that has unshown footage. So the 'worst offense' type of episode only happened once or at most 3 times.

What a joker.
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Old November 29 2013, 02:05 PM   #23
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Which was more shitful: TNG's "Shades of Grey" or STAR WARS: Caravan of Courage? That's the question which no one seems to have an answer for ...
I've never seen Caravan Of Courage, but I did see its sequel, "The Battle For Endor", which people keep telling me is actually better than the first one. Still crap, mind.
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Old November 29 2013, 02:19 PM   #24
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Meh. It never bothered me too much that a society as single-minded as the Klingons (or the Ferengi, for that matter) doesn't make a lot of "real world" sense. At the end of the day, they're supposed to function as metaphors for different types of human behavior, and at that they succeed admirably (IMO). Works for me.
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Old November 29 2013, 02:35 PM   #25
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I did like that TNG:'Suspicions' had that Ferengi scientist. It was kind of cool that at least once it was suggested the Ferengi weren't all just businessmen and entrepreneurs. Although who knows, if he had survived, maybe Doctor Reyga would have ultimately wanted to sell his metaphasic shielding to the highest bidder?
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Old November 29 2013, 02:46 PM   #26
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I've never seen Caravan Of Courage, but I did see its sequel, "The Battle For Endor", which people keep telling me is actually better than the first one. Still crap, mind.
That's why when people turn out articles, such as this one about how "STAR TREK Sucks," I get very annoyed. For one thing, it holds up at least as well as STAR WARS ever did and even the slowest episode of STAR TREK is more entertaining than 2001: A Space Odyssey, by far. Which brings up the question - what Science Fiction is the comparison to go by? What product was so properly done and free of cheeze that it's the prototype of all? None that I'm able to point out. STAR WARS '77, perhaps. Taken on its own it's still got legs. But even that movie isn't free of suckage, especially now that Lucas has tooled around with it, for well-over a decade.
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Old November 29 2013, 02:56 PM   #27
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I've never seen Caravan Of Courage, but I did see its sequel, "The Battle For Endor", which people keep telling me is actually better than the first one. Still crap, mind.
That's why when people turn out articles, such as this one about how "STAR TREK Sucks," I get very annoyed. For one thing, it holds up at least as well as STAR WARS ever did and even the slowest episode of STAR TREK is more entertaining than 2001: A Space Odyssey, by far. Which brings up the question - what Science Fiction is the comparison to go by? What product was so properly done and free of cheeze that it's the prototype of all? None that I'm able to point out. STAR WARS '77, perhaps. Taken on its own it's still got legs. But even that movie isn't free of suckage, especially now that Lucas has tooled around with it, for well-over a decade.
A lot of written science fiction maintains it's dignity forever.

Visual science fiction on the other hand (including even adaptations of the above mentioned written science fiction), has got a habit of starting out with good intentions, but almost inevitably evolving into schlock at some eventual point or other.

I feel proud to say that I honestly think Star Trek maintained a steady keel... most of the time. I'd argue that it's one of the more consistent franchises in tv/movie history, in that it seldom strayed from the original Roddenberry dictum, even if it did sometimes bend and twist it out of shape.

STAR TREK, in my opinion, has got good foundations.
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Old November 29 2013, 04:10 PM   #28
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Summary of the article: Star Trek is TV, which is why it sucks.
My rebuttal: Yes, it's TV. So what?
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Old November 29 2013, 04:47 PM   #29
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Fortunately for me, I could not care less what the writer says - I love Trek - just some more than others.
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Old November 29 2013, 05:11 PM   #30
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" Every world that the Federation comes across is run by a single world government, with a homogenous culture" To be fair, a single world government is pretty much one of the criteria for making contact.
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