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Old July 11 2014, 11:19 AM   #706
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I believe from what I've read, that Enterprise was done in 720p which was the HD at that time.
Nah, Enterprise was mastered in 1080p right from the start. However, visual effect shots in the first two or three seasons were often upscaled to save time and weren't redone for the Blu-ray. In fact, nothing was redone for the Blu-ray (except for a bit of colour-correction, possibly); they are just transfers of those original masters - a very quick and easy revenue stream for CBS.
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Old July 11 2014, 12:55 PM   #707
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...a very quick and easy revenue stream for CBS.
True, but I wonder how much CBS made/are making on the ENT sets. From what I can gather, they didn't/aren't exactly selling like the proverbial hotcakes.
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Old July 11 2014, 02:16 PM   #708
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^ All of ENT's effects were done in full HD from the get-go. Not 480-anything.
I believe from what I've read, that Enterprise was done in 720p which was the HD at that time.
720p still is HD.
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Old July 11 2014, 02:57 PM   #709
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^ All of ENT's effects were done in full HD from the get-go. Not 480-anything.
I believe from what I've read, that Enterprise was done in 720p which was the HD at that time.
720p still is HD.
Arguably, it is not.

John Reiser, an Engineer at the FCC and the US ITU chairman for study groups 10 and 11 told Broadcast Engineering that: "For a system to be considered 'high definition,' it is necessary for the Hi Def system to have at least twice the number of scan lines of the existing standard definition system." The two systems normally considered "standard definition" are the NTSC 525 and CCIR/ITU 625 line systems and both of these are interlaced. Reiser indicated that, at present, 720p is viewed by some at the ITU, unofficially, as an "enhanced" television format rather than an HDTV format, by their definition. It is obvious, for marketing reasons, this concept just won't fly here in the US and especially at ABC or FOX.

John Glisenan of the US Department of State, a part of the US ITU team, said he had nothing to add to what Reiser had to say on the issue.
http://www.tech-notes.tv/Archive/tech_notes_041.htm
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Old July 11 2014, 10:16 PM   #710
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Some NX flybys on the blus even looked like upscaled 480p to me, they were so blurry/blocky.
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Old July 12 2014, 03:37 AM   #711
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^ All of ENT's effects were done in full HD from the get-go. Not 480-anything.
I believe from what I've read, that Enterprise was done in 720p which was the HD at that time.

That being said, they still have enough detail that up scaling to 1080p would be acceptable, even if it didn't have the exceptional clarity of a scene rendered in true 1080.
The VFX were rendered at varying resolutions depending on available rendering horsepower, time, and money. Most of S1 and S2 were done at 480p, complex shots that were deemed needing the increased detail were rendered at 720p. By S3 and S4 all new VFX was 720p, very occasionally 1080p if deemed necessary to cut down aliasing, etc. Stock 480p shots of Enterprise at warp from S1 were reused throughout all the seasons and it sticks out a like sore thumb once you see them in one shot and then in another is a newer nicer 720p render.
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Old July 12 2014, 07:54 AM   #712
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I would have been happy with the Enterprise BluRays if they had been a transfer from the original masters. But apparently they have used the TV masters, which have those abrupt "commercial break fade outs". I don't know if that's also the case with seasons three and four, I don't have them yet.

And I think the picture is far too pink, at least in season one.
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Old July 12 2014, 10:57 AM   #713
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I believe from what I've read, that Enterprise was done in 720p which was the HD at that time.
720p still is HD.
Arguably, it is not.

John Reiser, an Engineer at the FCC and the US ITU chairman for study groups 10 and 11 told Broadcast Engineering that: "For a system to be considered 'high definition,' it is necessary for the Hi Def system to have at least twice the number of scan lines of the existing standard definition system." The two systems normally considered "standard definition" are the NTSC 525 and CCIR/ITU 625 line systems and both of these are interlaced. Reiser indicated that, at present, 720p is viewed by some at the ITU, unofficially, as an "enhanced" television format rather than an HDTV format, by their definition. It is obvious, for marketing reasons, this concept just won't fly here in the US and especially at ABC or FOX.

John Glisenan of the US Department of State, a part of the US ITU team, said he had nothing to add to what Reiser had to say on the issue.
http://www.tech-notes.tv/Archive/tech_notes_041.htm

Now I might be mistaken but PAL had 625 lines scanned at 576i, of which double would be 1152, HD is 1080 which is less than that wouldn't that mean HD isn't HD. Using the definition it has to be at least double

Bear in mind PAL was the more widely used system around the world than NTSC.
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Old July 12 2014, 01:04 PM   #714
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In any case, I'm not holding my breath. Considering the time it took between announcements that they were going to do the TNG BluRays and the time the sampler was released, it's already very clear we're not getting anything between now early 2015.

After that, who knows. But for the people who are saying it's definatly happening, we just don't know when yet..... It's probably safer for your patience to asume it won't happen, and be pleasently surprised, then to suddenly wake up 10 years from now and realising it still hasn't happened.
People keep claiming it WILL happen because TOS, TNG and ENT happened. The markt for TNG and TOS is huge compared to DS9 and VOY, and the only reason ENT happened was because it was cost-effective, meaning that even limited sales would mean a profit, even if it wasn't huge.

DS9 and VOY are the most costly to do, compared to TNG and TOS, even with the new SFX made for TOS, since it wasn't done for all the episodes and it was only for three seasons. The work needed for DS9 and VOY is much, much more.
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Old July 13 2014, 04:36 PM   #715
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I believe from what I've read, that Enterprise was done in 720p which was the HD at that time.
Nah, Enterprise was mastered in 1080p right from the start. However, visual effect shots in the first two or three seasons were often upscaled to save time and weren't redone for the Blu-ray. In fact, nothing was redone for the Blu-ray (except for a bit of colour-correction, possibly); they are just transfers of those original masters - a very quick and easy revenue stream for CBS.
On the season 4 Blu-ray set there is a new deleted scene in HD. It wasn't on the DVDs. Strange...

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I would have been happy with the Enterprise BluRays if they had been a transfer from the original masters. But apparently they have used the TV masters, which have those abrupt "commercial break fade outs". I don't know if that's also the case with seasons three and four, I don't have them yet.
The "original masters" probably have the fade-outs already in them. Every TV show is edited that way. TNG Blu-rays have them, too.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:11 PM   #716
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On the season 4 Blu-ray set there is a new deleted scene in HD. It wasn't on the DVDs. Strange...

The "original masters" probably have the fade-outs already in them. Every TV show is edited that way. TNG Blu-rays have them, too.
Not sure about earlier seasons, I'd have to refresh my memory, but Season 4 acts always ended with a sudden cut to black, rather than a slow fade out. They were like that back when somebody used to take UPN's HD broadcasts and torrent them back in 2004... long before legal streaming and downloading existed.

You're not confusing one of the episodes which I think had an option to read a deleted scene in script form? The trouble is having passed on my DVDs when the Blu rays came out, I can't go back and check. There's a possibility I'd not seen some trims made to "Home" before, where Trip discusses his feelings for T'Pol wth her mother. Other extra bits like Romulan Admiral Valdore being arrested, taken away by Reman guards and stuff from the Mirror Universe two-parter dated back to DVD.
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Old July 15 2014, 05:49 AM   #717
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The "original masters" probably have the fade-outs already in them. Every TV show is edited that way. TNG Blu-rays have them, too.
The fade-outs on the BDs are different from the fade-outs on the DVDs. On the DVDs the music faded out slowly or cross faded into the music of the next scene, while on the BDs there sometimes is an abrupt fade-out.
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Old July 22 2014, 03:56 PM   #718
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Deep Space Nine, we all want to do it. I’ll tell you that. I think it’ll be more difficult in the sense that by season 4 of DS9 you had digital elements, a lot of digital elements. By the Dominion War they were doing entire sequences that were digital, there were no models anymore. On TNG we’ve had all these plates and all these model motion-control shots to re-composite. You don’t have anything like that now. So you kind of have to recreate everything when it comes to that stage. I think the first three seasons will be fairly close to what has been done on Next Gen, but by season 4 and beyond it will get a lot more complicated. So all of that has to be factored in. And honestly they have to look at the sales of Next Gen and see how it did overall and what kind of a budget they could allot for Deep Space Nine. So will it happen immediately? I don’t know. Do we all want to go and bring Deep Space Nine back? Absolutely. I think the next couple of months will be crucial. It will also be crucial to fans who have been waiting for all seven seasons of TNG to be released. It sounds sad, but it’s a business decision when it should be a creative one. But you need sales in order to put out more product, it’s as simple as that. We’re hoping to get news within the next several months. But if fans want to do anything to make that happen, pick up these Blu-ray sets right now, because the entire Next Generation collection will be out.”
“We’re all ready to go, man,” added Lay. “I’ve been finding some really cool stuff related to the making of Deep Space Nine that I can’t wait to put on a Blu-ray set. Enterprise is out on Blu-ray as well – we released that simultaneously with TNG. So DS9 seems like the next logical choice.”
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Old July 22 2014, 05:13 PM   #719
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I'm not going to buy what I consider poor material (TNG seasons six and seven) just to justify DS9.
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Don't know whether this campaign's been mentioned...

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