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Old January 1 2014, 01:46 AM   #46
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Thanks for the info. I'll just wait and see then and hope for the best.
DS9 on blu ray is a great idea!!!!
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Old January 1 2014, 02:28 AM   #47
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The simple fact is that there's no news at the moment. Naturally, there's talk about it - but that's all; there are no plans in place and no project has been greenlit. CBS-D are still entrenched in TNGS6, and will still be in TNG mode for a decent amount of time to come.
Thanks FrontierTrek for not using your proximity to the Trek Remastered projects to play the "shill game" as some others have by exhorting fandom to buy every current HD release to "support" the release of DS9 in HD. You and TrekCore are a credit to the franchise, which you promote through unique and compelling features rather than mindless hype. On a semi-related note, I for one am looking forward to the BOBW screencaps and EAS' incorporating them into its Wolf 359 ship analyses.

Everyone should keep in mind that DS9 -- and VOY, and every Trek series regardless of popularity -- comprise an extremely valuable property for CBS and they must make it available in HD in order to continue to monetize it in the future. How that is done (rather than if it will be done) is the real question, but with the bar set quite high with the TNG-R project I personally doubt we'll get an SD upscale (ala X-Files, Farscape, et al) but it is certainly possible, at least in terms of the CGI VFX in later seasons. DS9 fans should keep their eye on the ball and let CBS know in no uncertain terms that nothing short of a complete HD remastering of the series will be acceptable. Complicating things is that by the time the DS9-R project likely materializes, the reality is that the relevance of packaged media will be significantly diminished (by exactly how much is anyone's guess); Blu-ray will certainly not disappear in that time, but its sales volume will continue to be eroded by streaming services as that technology improves. Even now Netflix is actively de-emphasizing its disc-by-mail service in favor of its streaming offerings; expect much the same thing from Amazon in the years (or even months) to come.

CBS-D certainly has people with the passion to do DS9 in HD right; they just need the go ahead (and the $$$) from CBS corporate to do that.

I can barely stream low quality SD, never mind HD. Not everyone has a fast enough broadband service to be ablet to stream. And some people don't even have internet, you don't limit your potential market by not releasing it onto a physical product.

Some pople still buy CD's despite being able to DL a song. and a song is a lot easier to download than a HD movie.
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Old January 1 2014, 09:18 PM   #48
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I guess this is definitely something to consider. I'm a "binge watcher" for want of a better term. It usually takes me about a week to get through a season!
A week? That's an eternity! I usually finish within 72 hours (makes for a few long nights...).
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Old January 1 2014, 09:22 PM   #49
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The whole concept with TrekCore is to *avoid* the mindless hype. I got so sick of reading copy/paste press releases on the big fan sites - I'd much rather go the extra mile to cover something properly, and produce an article which I - as a fan - would enjoy reading.
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Old January 1 2014, 09:30 PM   #50
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Star Trek is CBS's tentpole property.
Another irony of life, given how CBS turned the original series down in favor of "Lost In Space!"
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Old January 1 2014, 09:34 PM   #51
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Hopefully, when DS9 is remastered for HD, they will fix a few bugs from "fleet shots" that always bothered me greatly, particularly the omission of starship names and registry numbers. It's particularly egregious on the Galaxy-class ships shown in "Sacrifice of Angels."
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Old January 1 2014, 10:19 PM   #52
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Hopefully, when DS9 is remastered for HD, they will fix a few bugs from "fleet shots" that always bothered me greatly, particularly the omission of starship names and registry numbers. It's particularly egregious on the Galaxy-class ships shown in "Sacrifice of Angels."
I'd like the Galaxy-class without a name in "What You Leave Behind" (link to image on Memory Alpha below) to be given the name Robinson and the registry NCC-71842 - Sisko's new command in the Pocket Books novels.

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Old January 2 2014, 03:57 AM   #53
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I guess this is definitely something to consider. I'm a "binge watcher" for want of a better term. It usually takes me about a week to get through a season!
A week? That's an eternity! I usually finish within 72 hours (makes for a few long nights...).
Crazy Matt, is that avatar of yours actually a photo of what you look like after a 72-hour binge watch?
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Old January 2 2014, 06:55 AM   #54
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Crazy Matt, is that avatar of yours actually a photo of what you look like after a 72-hour binge watch?
In the future, PLEASE ask if I'm wearing my Depends before posting something that makes me bust a gut laughing.

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Old January 2 2014, 08:05 PM   #55
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I guess this is definitely something to consider. I'm a "binge watcher" for want of a better term. It usually takes me about a week to get through a season!
A week? That's an eternity! I usually finish within 72 hours (makes for a few long nights...).
I wish I had that kind of free time. I'm still working on watching Season 2 of the TNG Blu-Ray release!

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Old January 4 2014, 01:54 AM   #56
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Hopefully, when DS9 is remastered for HD, they will fix a few bugs from "fleet shots" that always bothered me greatly, particularly the omission of starship names and registry numbers. It's particularly egregious on the Galaxy-class ships shown in "Sacrifice of Angels."
Actually, it's my understanding that all the fleet VFX will have to be completely redone for an HD release. While Mojo has stated that all the ship renders still exist, I fail to see how they could be used for a remastering that won't take place until at least ten more years at the earliest. Considering that the fleet VFX was done back in 1995, I'd think it would be easier just to make new renders (and new ship designs while they're at it...I'm so sick of seeing Excelsiors, Mirandas and Klingon BoPs...)
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Old January 4 2014, 02:12 AM   #57
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Hopefully, when DS9 is remastered for HD, they will fix a few bugs from "fleet shots" that always bothered me greatly, particularly the omission of starship names and registry numbers. It's particularly egregious on the Galaxy-class ships shown in "Sacrifice of Angels."
Actually, it's my understanding that all the fleet VFX will have to be completely redone for an HD release. While Mojo has stated that all the ship renders still exist, I fail to see how they could be used for a remastering that won't take place until at least ten more years at the earliest. Considering that the fleet VFX was done back in 1995, I'd think it would be easier just to make new renders (and new ship designs while they're at it...I'm so sick of seeing Excelsiors, Mirandas and Klingon BoPs...)
I doubt they're going to wait ten years to start DS9. Only two more seasons of TNG are yet to be released. I don't see why they would wait to get started on DS9. Even if, for some inexplicable reason, they did VOY first, it wouldn't take ten years to finish.

As far as whether or not any of the old CGI shots could be reused, it's been confirmed that at least some of the ship shots were intentionally over-rendered with extra detail.

Incidentally, we'll get a preview of some of the first stock model shots of DS9 in HD as soon as TNG season six is released; both "Birthright, Part 1" and "Timscape" feature FX footage originally created for DS9, including shots of the station itself and of a runabout. (It's probably already been mentioned in this thread, but I can't be bothered to look now.)
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Old January 4 2014, 02:23 AM   #58
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I doubt they're going to wait ten years to start DS9. Only two more seasons of TNG are yet to be released. I don't see why they would wait to get started on DS9. Even if, for some inexplicable reason, they did VOY first, it wouldn't take ten years to finish.
I meant that it would be at least ten years before DS9 seasons 6 and 7 would be remastered, which is where the bulk of the fleet scenes take place.

As far as whether or not any of the old CGI shots could be reused, it's been confirmed that at least some of the ship shots were intentionally over-rendered with extra detail.
Be that as it may, I still have a hard time believing that renders made with 1995 FX tech would still be viable in 2024 (or even 2014 for that matter).
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Old January 4 2014, 02:27 AM   #59
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Since FrontierTrek kindly informs us that there are many passionate DS9 fans willing to produce the series in HD on Blu Ray, I wonder if at some point they've run some footage through their conversion process to see if it is possible?

Perhaps created something that was entirely CGI themselves and see how closely they could match it to the series?
Or maybe just the HD versions of the DS9 sets in Birthright might be a good way to pitch the series?

Do any of our wonderful insiders know if there has been any pre-approval test footage made for CBS eyes only to see if DS9 was technically possible?
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Old January 4 2014, 05:37 PM   #60
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I doubt they're going to wait ten years to start DS9. Only two more seasons of TNG are yet to be released. I don't see why they would wait to get started on DS9. Even if, for some inexplicable reason, they did VOY first, it wouldn't take ten years to finish.
I meant that it would be at least ten years before DS9 seasons 6 and 7 would be remastered, which is where the bulk of the fleet scenes take place.
How do you figure ten years? That means they'd have to release less than one season per year, which would just be shooting themselves in the foot.

They've done TNG in less than 3, even if DS9 had a more relaxed release schedule to allow extra time for the CG issues, I'd imagine it would be out within 5 years from start to finish, tops. My guess would be that they do two seasons per year (rather than the 2/3/2 done for TNG) and we'd see the show complete in 4 years.

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As far as whether or not any of the old CGI shots could be reused, it's been confirmed that at least some of the ship shots were intentionally over-rendered with extra detail.
Be that as it may, I still have a hard time believing that renders made with 1995 FX tech would still be viable in 2024 (or even 2014 for that matter).
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