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Old December 4 2013, 01:46 AM   #1
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WWII Japanese carrier/sub located

The I400, one of Japan's carrier/subs has been located near Oahu, much less deep than previously thought.

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This is one of those military machines, that if the Axis had many more of them, we might be speaking German and/or Japanese right now.

400 feet long, capable of massive range and holding 3 folding-wing seaplanes, but there were only 3 ever built.

This one was captured by the U.S. but scuttled to keep it out of Soviet hands.
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Old December 6 2013, 11:44 PM   #2
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I think the Panama Canal was to be its target.
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Old December 7 2013, 12:44 AM   #3
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Re: WWII Japanese carrier/sub located

^ That was one if the plans, at least, not to mention the west coast of the U.S. as a target.

If they got the canal, then targeted our west coast shipyards and aviation factories, we could have gotten a little thin in the PTO.

Though almost certainly all three of the class might have been involved.
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Old December 7 2013, 12:51 AM   #4
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It's quite a boat. Seeing them with folks on board really brings out the scale of the things for the era. Here is a short clip of them being scuttled.
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Old December 7 2013, 12:55 AM   #5
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There's a video on them as well here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5-ijBs8iJA
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Old December 7 2013, 01:14 AM   #6
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Re: WWII Japanese carrier/sub located

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^ That was one if the plans, at least, not to mention the west coast of the U.S. as a target.

If they got the canal, then targeted our west coast shipyards and aviation factories, we could have gotten a little thin in the PTO.

Though almost certainly all three of the class might have been involved.
Uhm.. that thing could carry 3 planes which in turn could carry one 1800 pound bomb each (going by the linked article). I sincerely doubt that they could do any noticeable damage if they got within striking range of any vital target at all.

It's the same dumb technocratic wishlisting that Hitler was famous for.. one megalomanical prject after the other with zero tactical or strategic impact but devouring vital ressources.

Additionally subs are quite fragile.. it doesn't take much damage to take away their only advantage to vanish under the sea so i guess those planes would be suicide missions because they well can't return to the mother sub because they would be followed.

However it's always nice to read about the stupidity of military design.
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Old December 7 2013, 01:47 AM   #7
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Re: WWII Japanese carrier/sub located

IDK, nine 1800 pound bombs could've taken out a lock or two, no? I really don't know what those things are made of, or how much damage the structure of each could withstand.

If nothing else, sink a couple ships while they were in the locks and you accomplish the same thing.

As far as suicide missions go, the Japanese were already doing that. Those pilots would have been ready to give their lives to the mission.
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Old December 7 2013, 01:50 AM   #8
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So are we going to fit her with a wave motion gun and set to Iskandar? Yes? Please?

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Old December 7 2013, 01:52 AM   #9
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iguana_tonante wrote: View Post
So are we going to fit her with a wave motion gun and set to Iskandar? Yes? Please?

It's Atragon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJJCCa744ZA
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Old December 7 2013, 02:44 AM   #10
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I don't know how that escaped me.

Many years ago, I used to watch bad science fiction movies with a group of friends for shit and giggles: we called ourselves Team Atragon.
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Old December 7 2013, 03:09 AM   #11
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iguana_tonante wrote: View Post
I don't know how that escaped me.

Many years ago, I used to watch bad science fiction movies with a group of friends for shit and giggles: we called ourselves Team Atragon.
Cool. Friends and I spent many Saturdays with Creature Double Feature. Watch enough of these in memory, claims of bad acting, scripting, and special effects often leveled at movies and TV today, make me certain folks saying so have no idea how low a bar can go, yet still bring enormous entertainment.
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Old December 7 2013, 06:41 AM   #12
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IDK, nine 1800 pound bombs could've taken out a lock or two, no? I really don't know what those things are made of, or how much damage the structure of each could withstand.
Precision bombing didn't work very well back then. They would have been lucky if even one of their bombs hit and exploded.

Hitting the West Coast would have been a miracle since they had blueprints for the Canal and had rehearsed for the operation.

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It's the same dumb technocratic wishlisting that Hitler was famous for.. one megalomanical prject after the other with zero tactical or strategic impact but devouring vital ressources.
And the Japanese had their Yamato-class, which were just lemons.
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Old December 7 2013, 06:38 PM   #13
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It took some pounding to sink those lemons, though. They are good for shore bombardment. I think there was an Isle class carrier concept that would have kept a big gun or two just in case...


If anything, big guns--or big missiles, might make the super-carrier obsolete now
http://breakingdefense.com/2013/04/c...s-stealth-and/
http://blekko.com/wiki/Supercavitation?source=672620ff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/543097/posts
http://www.usni.org/magazines/procee...fluous-carrier

So much for the Apollo-Norm...

Of course, there is the other end of the spectrum
http://www.marinetalk.com/articles-m...2114539IN.html

http://asia.etbnews.com/176760/freed...-city-revived/

I prefer this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
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Old December 7 2013, 07:55 PM   #14
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Re: WWII Japanese carrier/sub located

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It took some pounding to sink those lemons, though. They are good for shore bombardment. I think there was an Isle class carrier concept that would have kept a big gun or two just in case...


If anything, big guns--or big missiles, might make the super-carrier obsolete now
http://breakingdefense.com/2013/04/c...s-stealth-and/
http://blekko.com/wiki/Supercavitation?source=672620ff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/543097/posts
http://www.usni.org/magazines/procee...fluous-carrier

So much for the Apollo-Norm...

Of course, there is the other end of the spectrum
http://www.marinetalk.com/articles-m...2114539IN.html

http://asia.etbnews.com/176760/freed...-city-revived/

I prefer this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
Why do so many of your posts around the board consist of a series of links that get less and less relevant to the actual topic the further down the post they go? Is it some sort of linkspam for these sites or do you just not get how to reply to a thread without sharing a bunch of tangential links to defense and aerospace sites you frequent? Stop it and just have a normal conversation. Sharing one or two links related to the subject matter is fine, but if all you're posting is a bunch of "hey, isn't this kewl!?" tech links everywhere, you're just spamming.
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Old December 7 2013, 08:43 PM   #15
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Re: WWII Japanese carrier/sub located

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So are we going to fit her with a wave motion gun and set to Iskandar? Yes? Please?

not quite but Iskandar but the Sen-Toku class subs have made an Anime appearance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpeggio_of_Blue_Steel
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