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TrekToday http://www.trektoday.com/content Daily Star Trek news Sun, 02 Aug 2015 16:53:37 +0000 en-US hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.3 Retro Review: Learning Curve http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/retro-review-learning-curve/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/retro-review-learning-curve/#comments Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:16:02 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41256 Tuvok attempts to train four Maquis crewmembers who are having difficulty following Starfleet protocols.

Plot Summary: Lieutenant Dalby discovers a malfunctioning bio-neural gel pack and replaces it without getting authorization, which causes several systems ship-wide to stop working. Tuvok expresses concern to Janeway that Dalby and some other Maquis crewmembers are not trained or disciplined enough to work on a Starfleet vessel. Though Janeway is more worried about the possibility of multiple gel pack failures disabling Voyager’s systems, she recommends an on-the-job training course for the crewmembers having the greatest difficulties. Chakotay gives onetime Starfleet Academy instructor Tuvok a list of possible candidates, from which Tuvok selects four junior officers – impulsive Dalby, belligerent Henley, unfocused Chell, and bitter Gerron – who deeply resent being singled out for extra attention. The group complains when Tuvok insists that they remove all traces of their personal style from their professional demeanor and marches out after what they consider to be an unfair physical exercise. Neelix offers Tuvok some wisdom about plant stalks needing to be flexible, which Tuvok at first takes to mean that the young crewmembers are too rigid, then discovers that Neelix means to criticize himself and his teaching methods. He tries to get to know Dalby and realizes that some of the Maquis crewmembers suffered traumas that make it impossible for them to become contented, well-adjusted Starfleet officers overnight. Meanwhile, the Doctor discovers that Neelix’s attempt to make cheese has cultivated a bacteria that now infects the gel packs. The Doctor proposes raising the temperature to help the gel packs fight off the infection, but although the gel packs are saved, Tuvok and his unhappy team become trapped in a cargo bay where Gerron is injured. Dalby becomes irate when Tuvok orders him to get to safety with Henley and Chell, but when Tuvok himself violates procedure, risking his life to save Gerron, the Maquis officers are impressed and promise to work harder to obey the rules.

Analysis: I didn’t like “Learning Curve” when it first aired for its obnoxious attitude toward Maquis dissidents and indeed toward anyone who refused to assimilate entirely into Starfleet’s arbitrary regulations, which I thought at the time might just reflect my lack of understanding of how military protocols worked. But it rubs me the wrong way even more so now that we’ve seen some of the history of Vulcan intolerance in Enterprise, and now that we know the Maquis will be asked to give up their sense of belonging to their own cultures as well as their identities as members of an organization in conflict with Starfleet (the latter a demand that’s completely justified on a mission like Voyager’s, though I note that Worf was allowed to wear the accoutrements of a Klingon warrior on duty even when the Klingons were at war with the Federation). Of course it’s a problem that many of the Maquis have not had Starfleet training in teamwork, physical fitness, even self-protection, though I might note that Neelix and Kes haven’t either. It would seem both reasonable and fair for Tuvok to include them in a course to get underprepared crewmembers ready for life traveling through the Delta Quadrant, particularly since Kes had never left her village, let alone her homeworld, until just before Voyager arrived. The cheese incident that almost destroys the bio-neural gel packs is a far more heinous betrayal of safety protocols than the replacement of one of those gel packs, even if Dalby is rude when reprimanded while Neelix only stammers in embarrassment. And surely there are Starfleet crewmembers as well as Maquis who were unprepared to have a brief mission into the Badlands turn into a potentially lifelong journey? Couldn’t many of the junior officers use a refresher course in focus and teamwork? If Janeway and Chakotay’s goal is to get their two crews functioning as a single unit with the same ease with which Torres now works with Carey, they’d be well advised to include some Starfleet officers in the remedial class even just for show. Not so long ago, Tom Paris was a criminal and Torres was punching fellow officers, while now they’re fourth and fifth in the command chain; seems like a lot of people on that ship could use a bit of extra attention.

And although Tuvok may have been an Academy instructor for more than a decade, he seems like the wrong person to be leading an exercise in new-to-Starfleet teamwork. These angry, demoralized Maquis crewmembers need a counselor, not a disciplinarian; the morale officer might do them more good, and indeed does them more good when he lectures Tuvok, than a stern Vulcan whom they consider a traitor to their cause. I think it’s a mistake that we see the senior officers’ point of view rather than that of the recruits, since we don’t get to learn the positive independent-minded aspects of what Chakotay dismisses as “the Maquis way.” A strong left hook may get someone hauled before a disciplinary committee in Starfleet, but we’ve had such behavior by the Klingons rammed down our throats for years now as something we should admire, so it just doesn’t look particularly outrageous when a Maquis crewmember does precisely what a Klingon would do in a similar situation of being singled out for his temper. Apart from Dalby, who joined the Maquis because Cardassians brutalized his girlfriend, we never get to know the Maquis crewmembers, and the more Tuvok talks, the more arrogant he seems, like the obnoxious Vulcans of “Take Me Out to the Holosuite” rather than thoughtful, nuanced individuals like Spock and Sarek. Now that the US military and other such organizations have relaxed their rules about whether and when soldiers can wear yarmulkes, hijabs, and other items directly related to the practice of religion, I feel even more justified in my fury against Tuvok when he orders Gerron to take off his Bajoran earring – an accessory quite different from the headband that Tuvok forbids Henley to wear. The Bajoran earring is a symbol of faith. It’s also a mark of one’s family and social caste, two things that the young Gerron has lost being stranded 70,000 light years from home. Whether he had lost those already in a traumatic incident that led him to join the Maquis, as Dalby seems to believe, or whether he joined the Maquis out of sympathy for the settlers’ desire to protect their homes, like Kasidy Yates, Gerron is clearly clinging to this one meaningful relic of his former life, which Tuvok orders him to put away without any care for its significance.

Clearly, Tuvok is obsessed with the letter of the law rather than its spirit – he’s closer to being Javert from Les Miserables than was Sisko when Eddington mocked him with that sobriquet – but given the pettiness of the Vulcans we saw in many TNG and DS9 episodes, I gather we’re supposed to assume that it’s because Tuvok’s a Vulcan, for whom logic demands holding even to the most trivial of regulations. But I can’t understand why Chakotay agrees to let someone whom he thought served his own cause, then turned out to have been working behind his back all along, serve as corrections officer for other Maquis crewmembers. Chakotay’s facial tattoo would not be permitted even in the current US military, and I’d love to hear his response if Tuvok ordered him to remove it or cover it up. He’s usually a champion of diversity and broadmindedness, yet he seems amused at the thought of having four shipmates for whom he was once responsible, who are as troubled as they are troubling, put under Tuvok’s yoke. Of course ship-wide discipline is important in a crisis, as we see when it takes much of the crew working together to solve the problem with the gel packs, but a rigid dress code for people who will be working together for many years can hardly be the element that makes them see themselves as a team. It will be acknowledging, understanding, accepting, and taking advantage of their differences which will accomplish that. If the Starfleet uniform serves to bond Voyager’s crew in early days, it later serves to homogenize them; no wonder Sisko preferred spending his off-duty hours in African dress and Kira never stopped wearing her Bajoran earring even when in Starfleet uniform. “Learning Curve” fails in its effort to be “Lower Decks” because it fears to let us get to know and admire the quirks of the individual Maquis, erasing their distinct histories and grievances even as Janeway’s off playing traditional British governess in a traditional British novel knockoff. She needs to spend more time thinking about exactly which aspects of the Federation she plans to keep thriving on her ship as it creeps toward home.

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Star Trek: The Exhibition In Washington State http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/star-trek-the-exhibition-in-washington-state/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/star-trek-the-exhibition-in-washington-state/#comments Fri, 31 Jul 2015 19:00:37 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41252 Star Trek: The Exhibition will be arriving at the Washington State Fair in September.

The Washington State Fair will take place September 11-27 in Puyallup.

Star Trek: The Exhibition, under license by CBS Consumer Products, will run for seventeen days and gives visitors the opportunity to enjoy an interactive, museum-style experience of one of the largest collections of authentic Star Trek artifacts and information ever put on public display. This is a separate ticketed exhibit, and requires Fair admission. Exhibit tickets can be purchased in advance for $6.50 until Sept 10 here, or $8 at the State Fair. Children five years and under are free in the exhibit with a paid adult. Online orders are subject to standard processing fees.

The Exhibition brings visitors into the Star Trek universe and allows them to connect with iconic Star Trek moments. Throughout this experience, visitors, especially younger visitors and youth, will be inspired and motivated to seek out more education, and perhaps ignite a passion for lifelong learning and careers in science and technology.

Star Trek fans and novices alike will have a first-hand interactive experience to explore the worlds, wisdom, science, stories, cultures, characters, fashions and fantasies of the Star Trek universe. In the States, and around the world, Star Trek has become a sub-culture for many, supported by countless fan conventions and fan gatherings where many regularly gather and role-play in their favorite Star Trek characters.

“Among the main attractions of The Exhibition is the opportunity to sit in the legendary Captain’s chair where Captain Kirk and subsequently Captain Picard took command of the U.S.S. Enterprise; the opportunity to pose in front of a replica of the U.S.S. Enterprise; and one-of-a-kind displays, interactive kiosks and rare photo opportunities.”

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August-September 2015 Trek Conventions And Appearances http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/august-september-2015-trek-conventions-and-appearances/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/august-september-2015-trek-conventions-and-appearances/#comments Fri, 31 Jul 2015 18:53:51 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41248 There will be nineteen conventions, shows or appearances in August and September that will feature actors of interest to Star Trek fans.

This listing of conventions and shows features actors from all of the televised series and several of the Star Trek movies.

August begins with The Official Star Trek Convention will be held Aug. 6-9 at the Rio Suites Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada. In attendance at The Official Star Trek Convention will be Marc Alaimo, Vaughn Armstrong, Richard Arnold, Rene Auberjonois, Robert Beltran, Casey Biggs, John Billingsley, Brannon Braga, Bobby Clark, Joan Collins, Jeffrey Combs, Denise Crosby, Olivia d’Abo, Michael Dante, James Darren, Roxanne Dawson, Nicole de Boer, John de Lancie, Elizabeth Dennehy (Commander Shelby), Chris Doohan, Michael Dorn, Doug Drexler, Aron Eisenberg, Terry Farrell, Jonathan Frakes, Bryan Fuller, Joseph Gatt, Max Grodenchik, Richard Herd, J.G. Hertzler, Jennifer Hetrick (Vash), Manu Intiraymi, Sherry Jackson, Salome Jens, Dominic Keating, Walter Koenig, Alice Krige, Cirroc Lofton, Don Marshall, Chase Masterson, Robert Duncan McNeill, Anthony Montgomery, Ronald B. Moore, Kate Mulgrew, Larry Nemecek, Adam Nimoy, Denise Okuda, Mike Okuda, Robert O’Reilly, Linda Park, Ethan Phillips, Robert Picardo, Andrew Robinson, Rod Roddenberry, David L. Ross (Lt. Galloway and Lt. Johnson), Saul Rubinek, Tim Russ, Jeri Ryan, Judson Scott (Joachim from The Wrath of Khan), William Shatner, Mark Allen Shepherd (Morn), William Morgan Sheppard, Armin Shimerman, Alexander Siddig, Marina Sirtis, Rick Sternbach, Sir Patrick Stewart, Kitty Swink, George Takei, Connor Trinneer, Karl Urban, Nana Visitor, Garrett Wang, and Michael Westmore.

Next up is Shore Leave, to be held Aug. 7-9 at the Baltimore Hunt Valley Inn in Hunt Valley, Maryland. In attendance at Shore Leave will be Daniel Davis (Professor James Moriarty).

The Steel City Con will be held Aug. 7-9 at the Monroeville Convention Center in Monroeville, Pennsylvania. In attendance at Steel City Con will be Nichelle Nichols.

The Dublin Comic Con will be held Aug. 8-9 at the Convention Centre Dublin in Dublin, Ireland. In attendance at Dublin Comic Con will be Gates McFadden.

The Windsor ComiCon will be held Aug. 15-16 at the Caesars Windsor in Windsor, Ontario, Canada. In attendance at Windsor ComiCon will be Marina Sirtis.

Crypticon Kansas City will take place Aug. 21-23 at the Howard Johnson Plaza in Kansas City, Missouri. In attendance at Crypticon Kansas City will be Sid Haig, Chris Sarandon, and Tony Todd.

Walker Stalker Con will be held Aug. 22-23 at the Westin Waterfront in Boston, Massachusetts. In attendance at Walker Stalker Con will be Denise Crosby.

The Central Coast Comic Con will take place Aug. 28-30 at the Ventura County Fairgrounds in Ventura, California. In attendance at Central Coast Comic Con will be Sid Haig (Lawgiver in Return of the Archons) and Deep Roy.

Wrapping up August will be the Bournemouth Film & Comic Con, to be held Aug. 29-30 at the Bournemouth International Centre in Bournemouth, England. In attendance at the Bournemouth Film & Comic Con will be Max Grodenchik.

September begins with Fan Expo Canada, which will be held Sept. 3-6 at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. In attendance at Fan Expo Canada will be Jeffrey Combs, Malcolm McDowell, Jennifer Morrison, Kate Mulgrew, Ethan Phillips, Robert Picardo, and Jeri Ryan.

Dragon*Con will take place Sept. 4-7 at several hotels in Atlanta, Georgia. In attendance at Dragon*Con will be Terry Farrell, Jonathan Frakes, Gary Lockwood, and Paul McGillion.

Wizard World Comic Con San Jose will be held Sept. 4-6 at the San Jose Convention Center in San Jose, California. In attendance at Wizard World Comic Con San Jose will be Adrienne Barbeau.

The Alamo City Comic Con will be held Sept. 11-13 at the Henry B. Gonzalez Convention Center in San Antonio, Texas. In attendance at Alamo City Comic Con will be Olivia d’Abo and Ron Perlman.

The Wizard World Comic Con Pittsburgh will be held Sept. 11-13 at the David L. Lawrence Convention Center in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Appearing at Wizard World Comic Con Pittsburgh will be Colm Meaney and William Shatner.

RocCon will be held Sept. 11-13 at the Kodak Event Center in Rochester, New York. In attendance at RocCon will be Nichelle Nichols and Marina Sirtis.

Wizard World Comic Con Columbus will be held Sept. 18-20 at the Greater Columbus Convention Center in Columbus, Ohio. Appearing at Wizard World Comic Con Columbus will be Brent Spiner.

The Rose City Comic Con will be held Sept. 19-20 at the Oregon Convention Center in Portland, Oregon. In attendance at Rose City Comic Con will be Walter Koenig, Nichelle Nichols, and Wil Wheaton.

The Salt Lake Comic Con will be held Sept. 24-26 at the Salt Palace in Salt Lake City, Utah. Walter Koenig will be appearing at the Salt Lake Comic Con.

September wraps up with the London Comic Con, to be held Sept. 25-27 at the Western Fair District in London, Ontario, Canada. In attendance at the London Comic Con will be Nicole de Boer and Ron Perlman.

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Shatner To Pen Book On Nimoy http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/shatner-to-pen-book-on-nimoy/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/shatner-to-pen-book-on-nimoy/#comments Fri, 31 Jul 2015 18:45:58 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41245 William Shatner is planning on writing a book about his friend Leonard Nimoy.

Shatner considered Nimoy to be a brother to him.

“I’m writing a book about Leonard,” said Shatner. “I had a brother, whose life arc was so much like mine that we understood each other completely. Our age, our birth, the same types of problems in our marriages – our careers arced in the same manner.

“We had a great deal in common, Leonard and I. And thusly we were able to understand each other. I’ve lost a dear friend.”

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Star Trek Beyond Building Continues http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/star-trek-beyond-building-continues/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/star-trek-beyond-building-continues/#comments Fri, 31 Jul 2015 18:42:43 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41236 More photographs from the Star Trek Beyond set have emerged.

Five new photos show the progress made in building the set which began back in May.

STB-1

The first photo shows the bare bones of the set back in May.

STB-2

The second photo shows what appeared to be a building with some broken trees on it.

STB-3

In the third photo, it becomes clear that the second photo was not a building, but hills with broken trees. The plywood of the second photo has been covered with dirt.

STB-4

STB-5

In the last two photos, the “hills” set is being expanded.

Larger-sized photos are available at the referring site.

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Trinneer In Western Horror http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/trinneer-in-western-horror/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/trinneer-in-western-horror/#comments Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:14:05 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41232 Fans of Connor Trinneer will be able to see the actor in a western horror movie set to release on DVD and VOD beginning August 4.

The movie is called A Good Day To Die.

In A Good Day To Die, “Baron Emerson uses his vast wealth to travel the world and hunt. He does not hunt animals, he hunts warriors. The Baron arrives at the American frontier and is looking for his next prey. An outlaw gunslinger named Chamberlin who is in jail and set to be hanged. The Baron arranges for Chamberlin to be freed so that he can hunt him like an animal in a bloody game of life and death in the Wild West.”

Trinneer portrays the hunted Chamberlin, while Robert Koroluck is the hunter Baron Emerson. Others included in A Good Day To Die include Nadia Lanfranconi, Jay Kown, and Leia Perez.

A Good Day To Die was written and directed by Rene Perez.

The movie has already made its European debut, where it was released under the title Prey For Death.

For US fans, to pre-order A Good Day To Die, which sells for $8.46, head to the link located here.

 

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Beam Me Up Scotty Figurines http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/beam-me-up-scotty-figurines/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/beam-me-up-scotty-figurines/#comments Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:10:46 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41229 Two new original series figures feature Kirk and Spock in the process of “beaming up.”

The figures will be available from Funko beginning next month.

Each poseable figure is 3 3/4″ in height and features a beaming effect (the bottom part of each character shows this effect). “Captain James T. Kirk [and Spock have five] points of articulation and features unique accessories and the 1980s style card back design.”

The Beaming Kirk and Spock ReAction figures will ship next month. Each sells for $12.99 and can be pre-ordered here for Kirk, and here for Spock.

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UK Auction To Feature Spock Costume http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/uk-auction-to-feature-spock-costume/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/uk-auction-to-feature-spock-costume/#comments Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:08:35 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41226 TrekUKAuction073015

An auction to be held in the UK this autumn will feature a costume worn by Leonard Nimoy.

The Prop Store and Odeon Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction will take place September 23.

The catalog for the auction isn’t available yet, but at least two Star Trek items will be auctioned.

A costume worn by Nimoy during the second season (blue shirt and black trousers) will be up for auction, and is expected to fetch up to £70,000.

Also in the auction will be a model starship used in The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine.

Other non-Trek items of interest include a Star Wars stormtrooper helmet, Arnold Schwarzenegger‘s jacket from Terminator 3, a Lord of the Rings Witch King’s dagger, and a set of claws worn by Hugh Jackman in X2:X-Men United.

In all, four-hundred-and-fifty items will be auctioned.

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Pine To Star In Wonder Woman http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/pine-to-star-in-wonder-woman/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/pine-to-star-in-wonder-woman/#comments Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:57:20 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41222 PineWonderWoman052815

Back in May, TrekToday reported that Chris Pine was in negotiations to star in Warner Bros. Wonder Woman; today comes word that Pine has signed on for the role.

Pine will be playing Steve Trevor, Diana Prince’s love interest.

In the Wonder Woman comics, Trevor “was an intelligence officer in the United States Army during World War II whose plane crashed on Paradise Island, the isolated homeland of the Amazons. He was nursed back to health by the Amazon princess Diana, who fell in love with him and followed him when he returned to the outside world. There she became Wonder Woman (and also his co-worker, Diana Prince).”

Pine’s deal reportedly includes sequel options.

Written by Jason Fuchs, Wonder Woman will be directed by Patty Jenkins. Pine will be starring with Gal Gadot, who will take on the role of Diana Prince.

Wonder Woman will be released June 23, 2017.

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Pegg Teases Elba Character http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/pegg-teases-elba-character/ http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/07/pegg-teases-elba-character/#comments Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:54:46 +0000 http://www.trektoday.com/content/?p=41218 Elba072915

Simon Pegg spoke briefly about the character that Idris Elba will be playing in Star Trek Beyond.

The character that Elba will be playing will be unique, Pegg promised.

“It’s a really interesting, complex character,” said Pegg. “We shouldn’t expect to see anything like Benedict Cumberbatch‘s creepy genius Khan from Star Trek Into Darkness in Elba’s performance, however. His performance is all his own.”

There’s a good reason that Elba’s villain is different than Cumberbatch’s. “Only because it would be a retread,” said Pegg. “What we don’t want to do is have the same kind of villain with the same motivation.”

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Old December 8 2013, 08:48 PM   #1
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weapon technology

In the episode "defiant" we first come across new weapon technology "quantum torpedos" I thought this was a little surprising, as you might expect the enterprise to have been equipped with quantum torpedos first, as it was the flagship.
In a later episode "the way of the warrior" We first see "ablative armor" I find this even more unusual, as not only is it a brand new technology never seen before, but in the later episode "paradise lost" we learn that starfleet wasn't even aware that the defiant had been equipped with such technology.
After googling ablative armor I came up with this site in memory alpha http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ablative_armor
it seems that the borg also have ablative armor. Given the time when the borg attempted to assimilate the federation and a sufficient period of time being elapsed between then and the defiants first usage, coupled with the fact the defiant was built to counter the borg threat, I theorise that ablative armor was a technology taken from the destroyed borg cube and later intergrated into the defiant, the very prototype ship built to counter the borg. However this fact doesn't explain why star fleet wasn't aware of the defiant being equipped with it ? surely a starfleet ship would know about that?
And where did quantum torpedos come from? memory alpha just states when it was first used and when it was later equipped in more classes of ships.

On an interesting side note while looking into ablative armor, it seems it cannot be used simultaneously with multiphasic shielding . Multiphasic shielding protects against radiationa was invented in 2369 by a ferengi scientist and was first used by the enterprise to evade a rebel borg ship by flying into the sun, however memory alpha claims this technology was invented in 2371 ? a discrepancy ?
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Old December 9 2013, 02:29 AM   #2
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Re: weapon technology

Given the USS Enterprise is the "flagship" you would expect it not to field new technology first as other vessels would be given the role to introduce and test new weapon systems to be introduced more widely. As for where it came from, probably some sort of weapons research project or something.

Starfleet not knowing about the ablative armour is a bit odd. We actually hear about it in mid-season 3 in "Past Tense" and given its role in the time travel you'd think that Starfleet would have a report that mentioned that the ship's ablative armour, the cloaking device and transporters in certain situations can result in unsuspected time travel. Even if it was classified Leyton was the Chief of Starfleet Operations and you'd think he should have access to that information and be able to make it available to the captain of the Lakota.

On the multiphasic shield, the Enterprise-D used metaphasic shields in "Descent" so the dates aren't a discrepancy if they are different things.
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Old December 9 2013, 02:46 AM   #3
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Re: weapon technology

Defiant was a test-bed of new weapons technology. When they first got it, it needed a lot of work to get everything running smoothly. Flagships aren't sent off with untested stuff. Note that the Enterprise-E had quantum torpedoes.

As for some of the Defiant's technology being a secret, I recall that she's officially classed as an "escort vessel", not the warship she really is. I guess Starfleet didn't want to upset her neighbours by commissioning a ship with a less-than-peaceful purpose and kept a lot of her abilities of the books.

Also, Memory Alpha is run by fans - anyone can add to it. And so it's far from discrepancy-free.
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Old December 9 2013, 02:49 AM   #4
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Given the USS Enterprise is the "flagship" you would expect it not to field new technology first as other vessels would be given the role to introduce and test new weapon systems to be introduced more widely. As for where it came from, probably some sort of weapons research project or something.

Starfleet not knowing about the ablative armour is a bit odd. We actually hear about it in mid-season 3 in "Past Tense" and given its role in the time travel you'd think that Starfleet would have a report that mentioned that the ship's ablative armour, the cloaking device and transporters in certain situations can result in unsuspected time travel. Even if it was classified Leyton was the Chief of Starfleet Operations and you'd think he should have access to that information and be able to make it available to the captain of the Lakota.

On the multiphasic shield, the Enterprise-D used metaphasic shields in "Descent" so the dates aren't a discrepancy if they are different things.
In paradise lost, they only stated that they wasn't aware of the defiant being equipped with ablative armor, not that the technology existed at all.
Seems like the defiant was equipped unofficially or the starfleet records had been tampered with, either way it's unusual.
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Old December 9 2013, 02:55 AM   #5
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Defiant was a test-bed of new weapons technology. When they first got it, it needed a lot of work to get everything running smoothly. Flagships aren't sent off with untested stuff. Note that the Enterprise-E had quantum torpedoes.

As for some of the Defiant's technology being a secret, I recall that she's officially classed as an "escort vessel", not the warship she really is. I guess Starfleet didn't want to upset her neighbours by commissioning a ship with a less-than-peaceful purpose and kept a lot of her abilities of the books.

Also, Memory Alpha is run by fans - anyone can add to it. And so it's far from discrepancy-free.
Didn't voyager experiment first with bio gel packs to increase computer response time? and also the enterprise D equipped multi phasic shields to evade a bog cube, Jordi la forge had began working on the modifications after the ferengi inventor died.
Not to mention that the original Enterprise (before captain kirk) was fitted with transporters, which were brand new.
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Old December 9 2013, 08:18 AM   #6
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In the episode "defiant" we first come across new weapon technology "quantum torpedos"
I figure that "Photon" torpedoes, or "Quantum" torpedoes are similar to the names of modern weapons like "Sidewinder" missiles. A multi-generational family of weapons systems which get incremental improvements over the course of years and decades.

It's not clear exactly what make the quantum torpedoes different from the photons. It's been conjectured that production of quantums was limited at first and Starfleet was selective in their deployment. They weren't distributed fleet wide.

The need of a ship like the Defiant to have them was seen as greater than the Enterprise's.


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Old December 10 2013, 11:03 AM   #7
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The Defiant was an experimental warship, so it makes sense to me that Starfleet threw everything they had at it to test whether it worked or not--which is why they got quantum torpedoes and ablative armour before anyone else.
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Old December 10 2013, 01:57 PM   #8
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The Defiant was an experimental warship, so it makes sense to me that Starfleet threw everything they had at it to test whether it worked or not--which is why they got quantum torpedoes and ablative armour before anyone else.
Yes, but I should imagine that our militaries, as a rule of thumb, do not generally discover that their warships have been equipped with experimental weaponry, unofficially.
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Old December 10 2013, 03:02 PM   #9
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Its likely that Quantum Torpedoes were a new development and Defiant was one of the first ships to have them (I think I read somewhere once the backstory is they were also developed to fight the Borg).

While the Enterpise D didnt have them the Enterprise E did, this may have been that they were slated to be supplied to the D if she hadnt been destroyed or her mission profile at the time didnt make them necessary where as the E seemed to be designed with both Quantum and Photon Torpedoes in mind.

The fact that a ship reporting directly to the Head of Starfleet not knowing about Ablative Armour on the Defiant is a conundrum however as the materials had to come from somewhere even if the work was carried out at DS9.
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Old December 10 2013, 05:05 PM   #10
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Yes, but I should imagine that our militaries, as a rule of thumb, do not generally discover that their warships have been equipped with experimental weaponry, unofficially.
Warships jave been in the past equiped with weapons that were previously "untried in combat." Half baked ideas that either worked under combat conditions, or didn't. All branches of the services have done this from time to time.

During the first gulf war, the US military was having trouble penetrating some Iraqi heavy bunkers, someone came up with the silly idea of taking a the barrel of a Army cannon, packing it with high explosives, putting a Air Force targeting sensor on one end and some steerable tail fins on the other. Drop it from high enough to pick up a lot of speed.

It actually worked, who knew?

Originally the Defiant was "cranky," the engines were wrong for the design, it took time to get it right.




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Old December 10 2013, 05:12 PM   #11
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It's not clear exactly what make the quantum torpedoes different from the photons. It's been conjectured that production of quantums was limited at first and Starfleet was selective in their deployment. They weren't distributed fleet wide.
According to the (non-cannon) DS9 Technical Manual quantum torpedoes tap into zero point energy (a naturally occurring energy field present throughout the universe) to release an explosive yield approximately twice that of the most powerful photon torpedo.

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Yes, but I should imagine that our militaries, as a rule of thumb, do not generally discover that their warships have been equipped with experimental weaponry, unofficially.
Most military experimental weaponry tends to be kept secret to everyone without a very real need to know. Look at the history of the USAF's stealth aircraft.

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The fact that a ship reporting directly to the Head of Starfleet not knowing about Ablative Armour on the Defiant is a conundrum however as the materials had to come from somewhere even if the work was carried out at DS9.
I'd always speculated that ablative armour had been constructed for the Defiant, but the project was cancelled before it could be fitted. Later Sisko arranged to have the armour shipped to DS9 and fitted, all in absolute secrecy. After all, there was a war looming, and the Changelings could look like anyone. Why risk giving secrets away by letting more than the absolute minimum number of people know?
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Old December 10 2013, 05:50 PM   #12
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Here is the difference between photon and quantum torpedoes. And it's 100% canon!
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Old December 10 2013, 09:04 PM   #13
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Here is the difference between photon and quantum torpedoes. And it's 100% canon!
The first time we saw the Refit fire a photorp in TMP those were different from all movies hence, sort of matching the TOS effects...
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Old December 16 2013, 10:43 AM   #14
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Frankincense + Myrrh wrote: View Post
It's not clear exactly what make the quantum torpedoes different from the photons. It's been conjectured that production of quantums was limited at first and Starfleet was selective in their deployment. They weren't distributed fleet wide.
According to the (non-cannon) DS9 Technical Manual quantum torpedoes tap into zero point energy (a naturally occurring energy field present throughout the universe) to release an explosive yield approximately twice that of the most powerful photon torpedo.

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Yes, but I should imagine that our militaries, as a rule of thumb, do not generally discover that their warships have been equipped with experimental weaponry, unofficially.
Most military experimental weaponry tends to be kept secret to everyone without a very real need to know. Look at the history of the USAF's stealth aircraft.

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The fact that a ship reporting directly to the Head of Starfleet not knowing about Ablative Armour on the Defiant is a conundrum however as the materials had to come from somewhere even if the work was carried out at DS9.
I'd always speculated that ablative armour had been constructed for the Defiant, but the project was cancelled before it could be fitted. Later Sisko arranged to have the armour shipped to DS9 and fitted, all in absolute secrecy. After all, there was a war looming, and the Changelings could look like anyone. Why risk giving secrets away by letting more than the absolute minimum number of people know?
I can't accept that explanation.
Cisco wouldn't act without authorisation of starfleet and then continue with yet more breaching of the chain of command by failing to inform star fleet for the months leading up to this episode in question.
The fact there are changelings is irrelevant. They have secure communications, and even if that isn't 100% safe, it's not up to cisco to decide not to inform his superiors of his actions, especially when those actions were performed without authorisation.
Can you imagine the anarchy if the military on earth performed in the same way? and those officers underneath you acted under their own discretion and were not even reprimanded upon discovery? I should certainly hope that such a thing would be rare and definitely be considered a court martial offence, whether there was risk of a security breach by a third party or not, there is still the chain of command.
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Old December 16 2013, 11:57 AM   #15
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Just chalk it up to the bureaucracy of Starfleet. The admiral either forgot to inform them or thought Lakota's upgrades were enough that it wouldn't matter, and of course such classified details wouldn't be in the official file in Lakota's memory banks.
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