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Old November 23 2013, 11:39 PM   #106
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It was bloody brilliant! Oh for god's sake, Gallifrey stands!

- What will happen to Rasillion and co?
- How did the older doctors knew to come, did they use the Moment to break the timeline there as well?
- Beside the beautiful meta-meaning of Tom Baker being there, who was The Curator?
Leaving the meta stuff aside, I thought it was pretty obvious who the general audience were suppose to take it to be:

13: I could be a curator, I'd be a great curator, I could be the great curator, I could retire, I could retire and be the curator of this place.

Curator: You know I really think you might.

13: I never forget a face.

curator: I know you don't and in years to come, you might find yourself revisiting a few. Just the old favorites eh?
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Old November 23 2013, 11:39 PM   #107
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Well the Master had used up his regenerations by the Fourth Doctor. But he just refused to die.
"The Time Lord as thirteen lives, and the Master had used all of his. But rules never meant much to him."
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Old November 23 2013, 11:40 PM   #108
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Loved it, although frankly I'm still processing it It probably wasn't perfect, but near as damn it, and what was best of all was that it wasn't remotely what I was expecting. Loved Hurt, loved the Smith/Tennant double act, loved the glimpse of Capaldi, thought Clara was fab and...I have to say, Billie Piper was great, so glad she wasn't Rose.

Anyway, a great example of celebrating the show's history whilst looking forward, and the search for Galifrey will be interesting. A nice touch that the first Doctor ran away from home, and the (technically) final Doctor is going to try and find his way back.

I did worry for a moment that Moff was going to really pull the rug out from under us and effectively rewrite history, luckily whilst everything has changed, really nothing has. That is clever writing. Shame we didn't get to see the full regeneration from Hurt to Eccleston but you can't have everything.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:41 PM   #109
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So, all 13 incarnations showed up to save Gallifrey - at least 10 of them must forget that they were there.

I wonder if we'll get an episode with Capaldi's Doctor showing his arrival at the last day of the Time War from his perspective.

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We still number the Master. We are currently on his Sixth KNOWN incarnation.
Oh? I never hear him referred to by number. Simm might be the Sixth Master, but he's not the sixth incarnation of the Master - he might be the 14th or the 400th. Who knows?
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Old November 23 2013, 11:46 PM   #110
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It was bloody brilliant! Oh for god's sake, Gallifrey stands!

- What will happen to Rasillion and co?
- How did the older doctors knew to come, did they use the Moment to break the timeline there as well?
- Beside the beautiful meta-meaning of Tom Baker being there, who was The Curator?
Leaving the meta stuff aside, I thought it was pretty obvious who the general audience were suppose to take it to be:

13: I could be a curator, I'd be a great curator, I could be the great curator, I could retire, I could retire and be the curator of this place.

Curator: You know I really think you might.

13: I never forget a face.

curator: I know you don't and in years to come, you might find yourself revisiting a few. Just the old favorites eh?
Um, I got that exchange, but not what it meant.

A future incarnation of the doctor that looks like one of his old ones?
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Old November 23 2013, 11:46 PM   #111
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I absoluted loved it, Tennant and Smith worked rather well together alomost like how Troughton and Pertwee played off each other. I loved all ther nods and referecences to the past. And oddly enough this really felt like John Hurt's story and he was wonderful in it. I liked they were all going to press the button then found another way and yes they did change history but did in such a way that it appeared as though things happened as they originally did. I also loved seeing all of the Doctors acting together to say Gallifrey. And Tom Baker's cameo was awesome. And I do think that John Hurt's sonic screwdriver will be yet another toy, it's almost like lightsabers red, green and blue. Billie Piper was wonderful too and we saw her as both the personality of the Moment and as Rose Tyler.


I saw it at a local theater and the audience reaction was incredible and I have a ticket for the big theater showing so it'll interesting to campare the two experiences. But the theater was packed and we saw more than just the special, they showed The Last Day and The Night Of The Doctor as well and several music videos and costume contests.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:46 PM   #112
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We still number the Master. We are currently on his Sixth KNOWN incarnation.
Oh? I never hear him referred to by number. Simm might be the Sixth Master, but he's not the sixth incarnation of the Master - he might be the 14th or the 400th. Who knows?
That's the joke behind MISTER SAXON. It's an anagram for MASTER NO. SIX. But you are correct, that's why I said KNOWN incarnations.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:49 PM   #113
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Um, I got that exchange, but not what it meant.

A future incarnation of the doctor that looks like one of his old ones?
It means in the case of regenerations THERE ARE NO MORE RULES! Female Doctor here we come.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:49 PM   #114
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BBC has put a deleted scene up on the official website. I was able to find it on Youtube:

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Old November 23 2013, 11:49 PM   #115
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Fantastic, seeing it on the big screen was a treat and the 3D was pretty good.

The bit with Strax doing the no phones and be quiet bit at the start of the screening was a hoot.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:49 PM   #116
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Oh fuck- watch the Five-ish Doctors on Red Button, and then re-watch Day Of The Doctor...
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Old November 23 2013, 11:51 PM   #117
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"The Day of the Doctor" was very enjoyable with lots of laughs and great performances by Smith, Tennant, Piper, and especially Hurt.

What I loved:

The Ninth Doctor (Hurt really is the Ninth, more on that later) constantly critizing The Eleventh and Twelfth Doctors' sonic screwdrivers, youthful antics, kissing, and timey-wimey.

Tom Baker's surprise appearance as The Curator despite being very tongue-in-cheek in Baker's usual way. I wish Baker hadn't let the cat out of the bag in the last few days (or at least I wish I hast read it) but it was still very cool to see. I was amused howost of the audience didn't react to his voice but started screaming when they saw his face). However, as enjoyable as this moment was, I really wish it was William Russell instead.

Speaking of which, the little nod to Ian at the beginning of the episode. I had really hoped he would walk into Clara's classroom. Alas.

Billie Piper was quite good as The Moment's personality, nicely quiet and subtle. I guess it helps she wasn't Rose. that being said, I don't see why we needed her back as oppose to Louise Jameson, Catherine Tate, or Emma Campbell-Jones (Cass in "The Night of the Doctor").

Jemma Redgrave was wonderfully fierce as Kate and continues the spirit if the Brigadier.

The Doctor's solution of the duplicates by making them not know which was human and which was Zygon. If only all peace treaties were so easily achieved.

A bit fanwanky but it was cool to see that all of The Doctors were involved in making Gallifrey disappear, including a cool, if weird cameo by Capaldi. How all of The Doctors suddenly get involved isn't really explained but I'll let it slide.

Likewise, a bit fanwanky, but the closing shot was cool but it naturally lacked Capaldi. They don't want to reveal his costume just yet.

I doubt this was part of the global broadcast but the theatrical release had two wonderful shorts prior to the presentation. The first, Strax telling viewers all the things they should and shouldn't do during the show. The second, The Eleventh and Twelfth Doctors preparing us for the 3D experience (and The Twelfth Doctor letting slip that the 100th anniversary features 57 Doctors).


What I didn't quite like:

The scientist with the scarf and inhaler. I didn't really see the need for the character other than too make fun if eccentricity fans. Good for a gag or two, but tot need more than that for a character and she didn't get that. No fault of the actress. She did fine with what little she got.

The Zygons were largely underutilized and used mostly as a case example for The Ninth Doctor. They looked incredible so I hope we'll see them again.


What I'm not sure how I feel about:

So The Moment and the actions of The Ninth Doctor happened...and yet didn't happen. In a way, this felt like a case of having the cake and eating it, too. Yes, all the drama of the Eccleston and Tennant seasons are still "valid" because of the amnesia, but now Thera the easy out if him not actually doing it. I'll have to give this a couple of more viewings to let this really sink in.

And if course that leaves the case of the numbering of The Doctor incarnations. By the the end of the story, The Ninth Doctor is accepted by The Eleventh and Twelfth Doctors and make a point of calling him "Doctor," thus mooring the case if "Well, he doesn't view him as 'The Doctor' so he doesn't get counted." I guess this was Moffat's big game-changer (and not the possible return of Gallifrey). I'm already trying to get into the habit if renumbering but I know this is going to be hotly debated for years to come.


Overall, the episode is far from perfect and I could easily over criticize it like all the previous anniversary and multi-Doctor specials, but I'll accept it for what it is: a wonderful celebration of a great series.

That being said, I still prefer Big Finish's The Light at the End even though I know many people don't seem to enjoy it as much as I do.

Lastly, I can't believe I typed this whole thing on my mobile. It'll be good to be back to my computer tomorrow at long last.
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Old November 23 2013, 11:55 PM   #118
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Oh, the 3D was simply stunning in this episode, nice little extra for those with 3D TV'S.
Not to mention in cinemas. Really enjoyed the 3D! it was almost on the level of Avatar.
Good stuff, now i want to watch it again, just trying to figure out how i get it in 3d on the iplayer, normal version is there but that does not seem to offer a 3d option.
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My favourite bit? Confusing the polarity!
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But apparently it's just a bunch of Daleks shooting at soldiers. Could've been any war from any era. Took a lot of mystery out of it.
At this point both sides were pretty much exhausted but the Dalek still had a large conventional force.
Probably a lot easier for the daleks to rebuild their forces (cloning kaled mutants, rapid growth in vats, slave labor to produce the raw materials etc).

Think that attack on Gallifrey was the final stage of the war (think the Germany army marching in France in 1940 after marching through half of Europe).

From the Night on the Doctor and the comment about the Zygon's home planet burning in the early days of the war, its raged across the universe with many civilizations caught in the crossfire and destroyed.
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