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Old November 27 2013, 03:39 PM   #466
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This is odd, it is Clara hand (see the ring placement) but it does not line up. This could just be a continuity issue the VFX. Or maybe a duplicate Clara is also exiting.
Earlier we saw pictures among the companions of Clara visiting the vault here with Kate. Clara has no memory of it, so I am assuming it's a visit in Clara's future. Also, when Clara shows up in Elizabethan England there's no sign of the vortex manipulator from then on, so where is it? It's all a little odd to me.
I suspect each companion is subjected to the memory erasing device after their visit to UNIT. So the visit need not be in her future for her to not remember it.
True, but it seems more likely the pictures on the board are there for foreshadowing than to imply previous visits and nothing else. Since multiple Claras exist across time, that might be one of the other Claras, one who is hanging with Capaldi's Doctor?
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Old November 27 2013, 03:41 PM   #467
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Earlier we saw pictures among the companions of Clara visiting the vault here with Kate. Clara has no memory of it, so I am assuming it's a visit in Clara's future. Also, when Clara shows up in Elizabethan England there's no sign of the vortex manipulator from then on, so where is it? It's all a little odd to me.
I suspect each companion is subjected to the memory erasing device after their visit to UNIT. So the visit need not be in her future for her to not remember it.
True, but it seems more likely the pictures on the board are there for foreshadowing than to imply previous visits and nothing else. Since multiple Claras exist across time, that might be one of the other Claras, one who is hanging with Capaldi's Doctor?
Perhaps. I just took it at face value (admittedly unwise with Doctor Who ).
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Old November 27 2013, 03:45 PM   #468
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If it was another show runner, that might be the end of it, just a mystery. Moffat, though, loves the paradoxes of time travel. If this was RTD, I wouldn't think much of the pictures and hand mystery.
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Old November 27 2013, 03:57 PM   #469
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^But it was the villains who killed the kids, not the hero. I think that's the point here.
Exactly, no way, no how are you going to have the hero kill kids on a family show. Once I saw them, I knew Gallifrey had to be saved. And, really, I think Moffat has a great point about that.

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Old November 27 2013, 04:18 PM   #470
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Honestly, I find the whole thing takes away from the threat the Time Lords posed. I'm sure the Doctor always knew there were innocent people on Gallifrey that didn't deserve to die and that contributed to the guilt he's felt. The fact that he, the man who abhors violence death went ahead and committed genocide against two races, one of them his own emphasises just how bad the Time War had gotten and how much of a threat the Daleks and even the Time Lords posed. Just how desperate he was to end things that the man who always tries to find another way couldn't and ended up slaughtering innocents. Yes, we can say that's a most un-Doctor-like thing to do, and even the Doctor would agree, as evidenced by the fact the Hurt incarnation was "stripped of his knighthood" if you will and not considered a true Doctor. But the Time War had gotten so bad there really was no way out. Even the Time Lady Rassilon vaporised in The End of Time agreed that mutual genocide against the Time Lords and the Daleks was the only way out.

But now all that is negated and the Doctor simply only thought he committed the atrocity that has haunted him all this time.
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Old November 27 2013, 04:53 PM   #471
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Honestly, I find the whole thing takes away from the threat the Time Lords posed. I'm sure the Doctor always knew there were innocent people on Gallifrey that didn't deserve to die and that contributed to the guilt he's felt. The fact that he, the man who abhors violence death went ahead and committed genocide against two races, one of them his own emphasises just how bad the Time War had gotten and how much of a threat the Daleks and even the Time Lords posed. Just how desperate he was to end things that the man who always tries to find another way couldn't and ended up slaughtering innocents. Yes, we can say that's a most un-Doctor-like thing to do, and even the Doctor would agree, as evidenced by the fact the Hurt incarnation was "stripped of his knighthood" if you will and not considered a true Doctor. But the Time War had gotten so bad there really was no way out. Even the Time Lady Rassilon vaporised in The End of Time agreed that mutual genocide against the Time Lords and the Daleks was the only way out.

But now all that is negated and the Doctor simply only thought he committed the atrocity that has haunted him all this time.
On top of all that, I wonder if his inaction in Genesis of the Daleks, also weighed heavily on him when considering and after, WarDoctor used the Moment. If he had taken that action, The Time Lords may not have ever gone off the rails, and the Genocide of his race mightn't have ever been needed
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Old November 27 2013, 05:58 PM   #472
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Honestly, I find the whole thing takes away from the threat the Time Lords posed. I'm sure the Doctor always knew there were innocent people on Gallifrey that didn't deserve to die and that contributed to the guilt he's felt. The fact that he, the man who abhors violence death went ahead and committed genocide against two races, one of them his own emphasises just how bad the Time War had gotten and how much of a threat the Daleks and even the Time Lords posed.
But now all that is negated and the Doctor simply only thought he committed the atrocity that has haunted him all this time.
The episode shows how avoiding war can be difficult but worth it. It was obviously an easier solution in the practical sense to just destroy both sides to end the war. However, easier doesn't mean better. In the end, the Doctor found a better solution using his creativity and ingenuity. That is thoroughly a Doctor Who theme and perfect for the anniversary special.

Also, the Time Lords were never before shown to be such a huge threat until the new series. They were typically idle, boring, and passive. So, the atrocities never really fit that. Going back to a less war like race really doesn't detract from anything at all!

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Old November 27 2013, 06:05 PM   #473
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Also, the Time Lords were never before shown to be such a huge threat until the new series. They were typically idle, boring, and passive. So, the atrocities never really fit that.
Well, not entirely. Sometimes they were portrayed as corrupt as well, notably in "The Trial of a Time Lord." In the Doctor's words from "The Ultimate Foe," the concluding story of that arc:

In all my travellings throughout the universe I have battled against evil, against power-mad conspirators. I should have stayed here. The oldest civilisation, decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core. Ha! Power-mad conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans, Cybermen, they're still in the nursery compared to us. Ten million years of absolute power, that's what it takes to be really corrupt.
So the potential was there, but presumably it took the unending horrors of the Time War to hone that potential and bring out the worst in them.
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Old November 27 2013, 06:12 PM   #474
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And they've always been quite unconcerned with the fate of other beings. While their philosophy was presented in a sympathetic way in "The War Games" it already showed its sinister side in "Terror of the Autons". So, they warned the Doctor that the Master was on the loose on Earth but they neither did anything about it themselves nor gave the Doctor his abilities back. It seems like a logical escalation that they would consider using the Ultimate Sanction to save themselves no matter what the cost for everyone else.
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It would have been cool to see some random people regenerating in the background during the battle in Arcadia would make it feel more like Gallifrey than some other random planet the Daleks were attacking.
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Old November 27 2013, 07:49 PM   #476
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Also, the Time Lords were never before shown to be such a huge threat until the new series. They were typically idle, boring, and passive. So, the atrocities never really fit that.
Well, not entirely. Sometimes they were portrayed as corrupt as well, notably in "The Trial of a Time Lord." In the Doctor's words from "The Ultimate Foe," the concluding story of that arc:

In all my travellings throughout the universe I have battled against evil, against power-mad conspirators. I should have stayed here. The oldest civilisation, decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core. Ha! Power-mad conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans, Cybermen, they're still in the nursery compared to us. Ten million years of absolute power, that's what it takes to be really corrupt.
So the potential was there, but presumably it took the unending horrors of the Time War to hone that potential and bring out the worst in them.
It was generally the more subtle, politically ruthless type of thing rather than blatant military ruthlessness. Good point though, the underpinnings were there. They were a race with that potential.

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Old November 27 2013, 07:51 PM   #477
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And they've always been quite unconcerned with the fate of other beings. While their philosophy was presented in a sympathetic way in "The War Games" it already showed its sinister side in "Terror of the Autons". So, they warned the Doctor that the Master was on the loose on Earth but they neither did anything about it themselves nor gave the Doctor his abilities back. It seems like a logical escalation that they would consider using the Ultimate Sanction to save themselves no matter what the cost for everyone else.
Yep, their MO was passiveness and non-intervention. Very different than the active militarism. They wouldn't go out of their way to screw over a race, but they'd certainly look the other way if someone else was doing it.

I forget, was it Underworld that showed how they became that way, an intervention with benign motivations that went horribly wrong.

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Loved it! Even better in 3D in the cinema!
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Old November 27 2013, 10:22 PM   #479
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3-D. The pointless helicopter sequence. An original score would be worth more than either of those.
I thought the helicopter sequence was freakin awesome. Maybe in a regular episode it would feel superfluous, but for the 50th special I thought it was a really cool and fun way to open the story.

Especially when edited together with that great theme.

I liked it too. It made the special bigger/more movie like.


The part with the doctor dangling from the TARDIS in the background as "DOCTOR WHO" pops up made think of a zany british comedy(nothing in particular)
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3-D. The pointless helicopter sequence. An original score would be worth more than either of those.
I thought the helicopter sequence was freakin awesome. Maybe in a regular episode it would feel superfluous, but for the 50th special I thought it was a really cool and fun way to open the story.

Especially when edited together with that great theme.

I liked it too. It made the special bigger/more movie like.


The part with the doctor dangling from the TARDIS in the background as "DOCTOR WHO" pops up made think of a zany british comedy(nothing in particular)
when "MATT SMITH" popped up you mean the Doctor Who title was the 1963 version

I loved the I Am The Doctor theme during that sequence. I want the soundtrack. now!
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