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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: So what did you think?
Brilliant: Geronimo. 188 77.69%
Very Good: Bow Ties are Cool! 38 15.70%
Ok: Come along Ponds. 10 4.13%
Passable: Fish Fingers and Custard. 5 2.07%
Terrible: Who da man? 1 0.41%
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Old November 24 2013, 10:39 AM   #241
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Re: The Day of the Doctore Review Thread (Spoilers?)

Just got back from seeing it at the cinema, and now watching it again on TV. It has its problems, but all in all I'm just thrilled with it. Clara... Clara I just love. Rose, and not Rose... awesome. John Hurt is incredible, they were SO lucky he wanted to do it. Even if Ecclestone HAD agreed to take part, I'm not sure it would have been as good. Tom Baker... he could have turned up and read out a soup recipe and he would have been awesome, but his scene was just sublime.

And Capaldi... FRAK YEAH. I can not WAIT for him now. Not that I want Matt to leave, but I just KNOW he's going to be incredible. Those eyes... wow.

This boy, who has known Doctor Who his entire 42 years, could not be happier today.
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Old November 24 2013, 10:49 AM   #242
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WOW

The Day of the Doctor was watched by 10.2 million viewers according to unofficial overnight figures.
The 50th Anniversary story achieved an audience share of 37.4% of the total television audience, beating ITV's The X Factor, which had 7.7 million watching.
Over 10 million and these are just overnights, which tend to be well under the actual numbers. Probably looking at around a final audience of 12 million+ which might put it as the highest rated show of the entire week in the UK.
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Old November 24 2013, 10:57 AM   #243
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WOW

The Day of the Doctor was watched by 10.2 million viewers according to unofficial overnight figures.
The 50th Anniversary story achieved an audience share of 37.4% of the total television audience, beating ITV's The X Factor, which had 7.7 million watching.
Over 10 million and these are just overnights, which tend to be well under the actual numbers. Probably looking at around a final audience of 12 million+ which might put it as the highest rated show of the entire week in the UK.
And not that it counts or anything, but I'm in Switzerland and I watched it live on French television. The worldwide numbers would be even more impressive I guess.
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Old November 24 2013, 10:58 AM   #244
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Well, that was fantastic. This is what I've been waiting for (and hoping for) since the first season of the modern show. I thought Eccleston was going to appear for a minute there, but the Curator more than made up for that. And all the Doctors did appear.
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Old November 24 2013, 11:15 AM   #245
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Yeah, same time as we see the actual regeneration into the Curator - btw surprised nobody picked up on the “wearing a bit thin” line?
Uhh, no, Hurt regenerated into Eccleston. He's a past incarnation of the Doctor, not a future one -- that's the whole point of the story. That's also the point of Hurt's line about hoping his ears would be less prominent -- Eccleston had very prominent ears, and this line ties in with Eccleston's reaction to seeing his ears in the mirror in "Rose."

You are taking that point out of context and misunderstanding it - my point was in response to the idea that we would see the regeneration into the Curator at the same time as Batman finally clears up Gotham City = never.
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Old November 24 2013, 11:18 AM   #246
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In light of the events of the last 24 hours you are hereby forgiven for the past four years.

Warmest regards,
The Fans
There's nothing to forgive - Moffat's reign has been a noteable improvement on RTD's...
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Old November 24 2013, 11:32 AM   #247
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I was gratified by the enormous queues at the cinema I went to, it went well out of the Cinema. Last night regardless of what you thought of the episode was a triumph for the show and should result in many more years for the program.
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Old November 24 2013, 11:36 AM   #248
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I really liked it. If I have a criticism it's that I would have liked something more sinister and less smug. The zygons were very popular villains because they were genuinely creepy. The make-up was great but the delivery was all a bit too much Benny Hill for me.

Tom's cameo was amazing and prompted a round of applause but should have been a fraction shorter IMO. More of a tease. I would also have liked to see a bit more of McGann.

Although initially I wanted Eccleston to do the role, and I would have settled for McGann, I can see how using someone else does allow them to stitch the timeline together nicely, keeping McGann in reserve for pre-time war stories (hopefully not limited to audio but we'll see). Since Eccleston is reluctant to return they stand more of a chance of being able to fill in the blanks with a different actor. Having said that, while Hurt is amazing he is also busy and knocking on a bit so it may come to nothing.
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Old November 24 2013, 11:37 AM   #249
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Outstanding episode. Moffat has pretty made up for the previous years of failure now. This episode was outstanding.
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Old November 24 2013, 12:01 PM   #250
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That's how you do a reset without pressing the button at all. Brilliant.
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Old November 24 2013, 12:48 PM   #251
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Do Gallifreyan's support bigamy?
With their long lives, probably serial monogamy. And they may consider that a marriage ends if one spouse regenerates; perhaps even that familial relationships are severed. Hence Doctors Two onwards would not be Susan's grandfather, sharing fewer genes with her than Doctor One did.
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Old November 24 2013, 12:52 PM   #252
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That's how you do a reset without pressing the button at all. Brilliant.
What reset? The Doctor didn't change time, he just changed his mind. That's my interpretation at least. No reset happened. He just never remembered the actual time line. I find that particularly awesome.
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Old November 24 2013, 12:58 PM   #253
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That's how you do a reset without pressing the button at all. Brilliant.
What reset? The Doctor didn't change time, he just changed his mind. That's my interpretation at least. No reset happened. He just never remembered the actual time line. I find that particularly awesome.
Indeed. As far as Nine and Ten are concerned, they still believe they destroyed Gallifrey and will go on to live with that guilt. But now Eleven and every Doctor that follows knows the truth. That the planets still out there someplace.
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Old November 24 2013, 01:45 PM   #254
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Which means at some point Gallifrey will be recovered, and a grateful world will... grant more regenerations. Problem solved.
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Old November 24 2013, 01:45 PM   #255
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That's how you do a reset without pressing the button at all. Brilliant.
What reset? The Doctor didn't change time, he just changed his mind. That's my interpretation at least. No reset happened. He just never remembered the actual time line. I find that particularly awesome.
Indeed. As far as Nine and Ten are concerned, they still believe they destroyed Gallifrey and will go on to live with that guilt. But now Eleven and every Doctor that follows knows the truth. That the planets still out there someplace.
I think it is a reset. Ten says the events are timelocked and that they shouldn't even be there. Ten also says that what they're trying to do will change their own history. Like the Doctor did in "Waters of Mars" but refused to do in "Timeflight".

Also the Badwolf persona of The Moment makes it apparent that this is a future entity reaching back to Warrior Doc about his decision. Since the Bad Wolf didn't exist until 9th(Eccleston) and Rose, and the Bad Wolf is an entire time vortex of a TARDIS. The destruction of Galifrey is something the Bad Wolf is probably trying to change. Look what it took 3 Doctors united in a timelocked event, and then all 13 of them (and their TARDIS's) at the zero hour of Galifrey to change history.

Warrior Doctor was alone the first time he destroyed Galifrey and the Timelords. If The Moment is able to stand in judgement of whomever uses it. It probably deemed the Timelords worthy of extinction along with the Dalek's.

So the timeline I worked out is.
Eight becomes Warrior

Warrior end the Time War alone using The Moment

Regens into 9th (Eccleston) for series 1

9th becomes 10th(Tennant) for series 2 -specials that ended in 2010.

10th and the Master prevent Rassilon and the Timelords from escaping the timelocked events of the Timewar. This includes preventing the Timelords from carrying out their mad plan to extinguish all life in the universe and become pure energy/conscience.

10th becomes 11th(Smith) for series 5-7.

11th and Clara go to Trenzalore where the Doctor meets his death and is brought face to face with a past life he had buried deep within his subconscious.

The Day of the Doctor happens. With the Bad Wolf Moment persona showing Warrior Doc his own future, and allowing 10 and 11 into the timelocked events of the Timewar. The 3 Doctor's decide to press the button together, having finally reconciled what they did and resolving to discontinue shunning Warrior Doc for his decision. THE IMPOSSIBLE GIRL intervenes and appeals to the 11th Doctor's better nature. A plan to unite all previous and future Doctor's and all their TARDIS's is initiated. Galifrey is saved using the same technology the Zygons use to freeze a moment and time and preserve it like a picture.

10 and Warrior go back to their own respective timelines. While 11 reflects about finding Galifrey.



That's my timeline of events. Now this is contingent on one simple thing. Do you believe the Bad Wolf Moment Persona was there the first time Warrior Doc attempted to destroy Galifrey? Everything that happened in TDOTD is dependent of The Moment persona interfering with events. Does she have "secret/future" knowledge and wants to change history? Or was she always there to save the Doctor from his choice? I think it's the former because the episode is about Warrior Doc being redeemed and accepted by himself. He would have to have committed a crime in order for there to be a redemption or an intervention to save his soul.
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