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Old September 27 2014, 07:59 PM   #1
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Resemblances with Into Darkness?

I was watching DS9 episodes Homefront and Paradise lost and just begin noticing something interesting... The plot actually resemble the one from Into Darkness! I mean, we got the bad admiral, the "militarization" of starfleet, and even the "advanced secret ship" battle thing (in this case the Lakota, that had advanced weapons and shielding, vs the Defiant).

I'm not trying to say the movie was good/bad because of that, it was just something i noticed.

Anyone else noticed that?
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Old September 27 2014, 09:28 PM   #2
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Re: Resemblances with Into Darkness?

You know, I certainly thought of Deep Space Nine when I watched the story unravel on the movie screen. I think it's kinda telling that a 90s television series with television budget manages to tell the story more compellingly than a 2010s big budget movie.
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Old September 27 2014, 09:40 PM   #3
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Re: Resemblances with Into Darkness?

Reduced down to basics, STID and Homefront/Paradise Lost look similar. However, STID only uses those ideas--common stuff of conspiracy theorists--to give a reason for presenting action sequences. DS9 went into the actual issues at a time when they were not on the forefront of popular consciousness. We never get impassioned speeches like what Joe Sisko gave, or the complex input of Odo. STID is bad admiral manipulating events without any further consideration.
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Old September 27 2014, 09:52 PM   #4
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Re: Resemblances with Into Darkness?

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You know, I certainly thought of Deep Space Nine when I watched the story unravel on the movie screen. I think it's kinda telling that a 90s television series with television budget manages to tell the story more compellingly than a 2010s big budget movie.
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It's a comparison I didn't make in the cinema (I was too busy groaning with despair at the time), but looking back at it I see the resemblance. But if you're going to steal stuff, you might as well steal good stuff (TWOK and DS9).
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Old September 28 2014, 12:24 AM   #5
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They are pretty common themes. The overpowered ship is just coincidence I think. nuTrek to date, has only been able to raise the stakes by way of introducing an unbeatable foe.
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Old September 28 2014, 12:37 AM   #6
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Which it's done two films in a row now. Not a good sign for #3.
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Old September 28 2014, 01:48 AM   #7
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Shapeshifter wrote: View Post
and even the "advanced secret ship"
If you ever read the older novel Dreadnought, you'll see a few similarities to Into Darkness.

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Old September 28 2014, 05:47 AM   #8
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Which it's done two films in a row now. Not a good sign for #3.
I'm not a fan of nuTrek but that's the least of our worries. First time director, and I'm not even a fan of his writing to begin with.
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Old September 28 2014, 06:53 AM   #9
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Re: Resemblances with Into Darkness?

STID is more of a collection of themes and tropes that
1.We see in most militarized/police state stories.
2. Things the public is conscience about in our modern world.

When DS9 did it, these things were in the realm of fiction for Americans. In the post 9/11 and post War of Terrorism world of today; where words like
Terrorism
Suicide bombings
Drone strikes
Militarized police state/police force response. Most recently in Ferguson MI and the Occupy Protests.
Homeland attack
Have all become household words. The images of such are on the news (local, and cable) everyday.


STID was trying be invoke those feelings from it's audience. Look at Captain America The Winter Solider as anoher example. You have rampant expansion of the military, the 3 hellicarriers were intended to be preempt threats from afar (drone strikes), the security council sanctioning this increase in the name preventing homeland attacks, and the evil head SHIELD/HYDRA guy Pierce abusing his powers (or using it) to make his ideal world a reality.

One could argue that The Undiscovered Country also picks up similar themes.

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Old September 28 2014, 07:47 AM   #10
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Re: Resemblances with Into Darkness?

There is an argument to be made for similarities, especially episodes like "Homefront."

I think ID took a more focused approach on the issue of response to attacks and threat of war, as well as the conspiracy theories that underlie a power's ability to make war.

Personally, I like the way it took on drone strikes, and preemptive strikes to end a war before it begins. While it may have been told before, it felt very relevant to me. DS9 dealt in broad strokes while ID took a specific aspect of that idea.

I think DS9 had a more martial law aspect of how military powers try to control in war time.
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Old September 28 2014, 08:55 AM   #11
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These things were not fiction when DS9 did it. It's extremely naive to believe these issues have only become relevant post 9/11. It might not have been on muricans radar, but they were very real issues for the rest of the world.
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Old September 28 2014, 01:16 PM   #12
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Didn't Babylon 5 cover those themes before Deep Space Nine?
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Old September 28 2014, 03:26 PM   #13
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Which it's done two films in a row now. Not a good sign for #3.
Three films in a row you mean. Scimitar anyone?
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Old September 28 2014, 04:30 PM   #14
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Didn't Babylon 5 cover those themes before Deep Space Nine?
Given the similarities between The Circle trilogy and Homefront/Paradise Lost, I'd say that DS9 had a leg up on B5 when it came to political intrigue.
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Old September 29 2014, 04:02 AM   #15
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You know, I certainly thought of Deep Space Nine when I watched the story unravel on the movie screen. I think it's kinda telling that a 90s television series with television budget manages to tell the story more compellingly than a 2010s big budget movie.
I'm also amazed that Homefront/PL basically predicted concerns of post-9/11 governance in the US...years before the 9/11 attacks even happened!
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