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Old November 28 2013, 08:21 PM   #91
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Re: Women of LotR/The Hobbit

People can type in a hurry.


By the way, Tolkien may be the greatest fantasy writer of our time, and he was a scholar, but he was still a human being. That means he's not above writing something inane in one of his stories, nor is he above criticism for it.
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Old November 28 2013, 08:31 PM   #92
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None of which you showed.
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Old November 28 2013, 08:38 PM   #93
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People can type in a hurry.


By the way, Tolkien may be the greatest fantasy writer of our time, and he was a scholar, but he was still a human being. That means he's not above writing something inane in one of his stories, nor is he above criticism for it.
But, he wasn't just a human being making this up willy nilly. He was a scholar and a linguist. One might even call him an expert in language. So, I think criticizing him on that level, is fairly foolish, unless you too have a similar level of education in his field.

Now, is he above criticism, no. I think he's a dreadful story teller. Excellent world builder. But as a story teller: BO-ring.
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Old November 28 2013, 08:39 PM   #94
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Re: Women of LotR/The Hobbit

It's a bit of a shame, really, that the WB doesn't have the rights to make Middle-Earth movies outside of LotR and Hobbit adaptations, as it'd be much easier to get a woman-centric high fantasy movie along the lines of, say, a Tauriel solo flick greenlit if it could be tied into the Middle-Earth brand. Alas...




No solo flick spin-off for you!
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Old November 28 2013, 08:43 PM   #95
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If it makes enough money, lawyers can ask the Tolkien estate and whoever is required to make such a thing happen. I can imagine the howls of outrage from purists of the novels, but I'd be willing to give the work a look.
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Old November 28 2013, 09:14 PM   #96
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^ And all signs point to the Tolkien Estate, at least so long as Christopher Tolkien is in charge, saying, "oh, hell no."
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Old November 28 2013, 09:29 PM   #97
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No surprise there. The tenor of the books that looks at Tolkien's development of Middle Earth is suffused with Christopher Tolkien's exposition of what dad meant rather than letting the man's work speak for itself. He's the keeper of the 'One True and Catholic Vision' of Middle Earth and the work would be better off without so dogmatic a gate keeper.
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Old November 29 2013, 09:53 AM   #98
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I find it hard to imagine how any big film production could have wrung more money out of the LoTR franchise whilst doing the stories justice. I also find the idea of spinoff TV or low budget movie serials would of necessity dilute and distort the great vision. I know this because that's what serials always do. Also the idea that the estate of Tolkein is throttling creativity is frankly laughable. It took half a century for Peter Jackson to come along and do it justice. Now everyone thinks it was easy.
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Old November 29 2013, 02:03 PM   #99
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Haven't there already been some original Middle-Earth tales told via the game tie-ins to the films? War in the North springs to mind.

But as far as new films, TV shows or books go.....Nah, never gonna happen, not in a million years.
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Old November 29 2013, 02:04 PM   #100
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It's a bit of a shame, really, that the WB doesn't have the rights to make Middle-Earth movies outside of LotR and Hobbit adaptations, as it'd be much easier to get a woman-centric high fantasy movie along the lines of, say, a Tauriel solo flick greenlit if it could be tied into the Middle-Earth brand. Alas...




No solo flick spin-off for you!
I just want to say, that photo of Tauriel is gorgeous as hell.
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Old November 29 2013, 04:38 PM   #101
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Also the idea that the estate of Tolkein is throttling creativity is frankly laughable. It took half a century for Peter Jackson to come along and do it justice. Now everyone thinks it was easy.
Maybe, but if the the Tolkien Estate under Christopher T. had had its way, there wouldn't have been any films at all; Jackson and the WB were only allowed to make theirs because J.R.R. sold the adaptation rights to The Hobbit and LotR (but not the rights to Middle-earth as a set of ideas) decades ago.


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Haven't there already been some original Middle-Earth tales told via the game tie-ins to the films? War in the North springs to mind.
And a year ago, the Tolkien Estate sued WB and Middle-earth Enterprises for $80m, alleging they never had the rights to make those games.
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Old November 29 2013, 09:07 PM   #102
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What have they said regarding Tauriel? I'd imagine they aren't pleased. Then again, it's not as though they can do anything about it now....is there?
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Old November 29 2013, 10:32 PM   #103
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I don't think Christopher Tolkien is exactly the tweeting sort, and I don't know of any word from the Tolkien estate on that character. Since Tauriel is only a secondary character and is only appearing in an adaptation of a story to which the WB holds this rights, I doubt they'd care to take on the costs of pitting their lawyers against the studios', but that would certainly change in a hurry if the WB were to try announcing a solo spin-off film.
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Old November 29 2013, 10:47 PM   #104
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I don't think Christopher Tolkien is exactly the tweeting sort, and I don't know of any word from the Tolkien estate on that character. Since Tauriel is only a secondary character and is only appearing in an adaptation of a story to which the WB holds this rights, I doubt they'd care to take on the costs of pitting their lawyers against the studios', but that would certainly change in a hurry if the WB were to try announcing a solo spin-off film.
I think they can put any such fears to rest, as that's never gonna happen.
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Old November 30 2013, 05:13 PM   #105
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Haven't there already been some original Middle-Earth tales told via the game tie-ins to the films? War in the North springs to mind.
And a year ago, the Tolkien Estate sued WB and Middle-earth Enterprises for $80m, alleging they never had the rights to make those games.
I know they sued over the casino game, but I've not heard anything about them taking any action against War in the North.

Would the inclusion of Tauriel really prompt a reprimand from them though? The first LotR movie added the character of Lurtz the orc, an entirely original creation, and no one was bothered.
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