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Old November 24 2013, 04:37 PM   #31
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Re: Favorite/Underrated Episodes of ENT

I really do not understand why some people think that the first 2 seasons of Enterprise are awful. I have enjoyed the subtle beginnings of how learning through mistakes has lead to the beginnings of Starfleet protocol. I just got finished watching Episode 8 "The Communicator" & Episode 9 "Singularity". The Prime Directive, emergency protocol, and the enhancements or importance of the captain’s chair were intriguing.

Any thoughts on these episodes?
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Old November 24 2013, 04:40 PM   #32
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"Doctor's Orders"-I know its a shameless rip-off of "One" but Phlox is my favorite ENT character and he was given so little to do on the show that a whole episode devoted to him was really enjoyable.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Dr. Phlox is a great character
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Old November 24 2013, 04:58 PM   #33
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So, more TNG than the TOS ending which is what we got? I'm fine with it as is.
I was hoping for something that would set up the type of conflict that would be seen in A Private Little More. Not so much TNG, more pre-TOS, and more of something with its own identity.
What we got was the ending to Friday's Child or Elaan of Troyius, shoot up the bad guys and move on. Very TOS.
Let's not forget that the solution was the transporter: very TNG/VOY.
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Old November 24 2013, 11:49 PM   #34
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I was hoping for something that would set up the type of conflict that would be seen in A Private Little More. Not so much TNG, more pre-TOS, and more of something with its own identity.
What we got was the ending to Friday's Child or Elaan of Troyius, shoot up the bad guys and move on. Very TOS.
Let's not forget that the solution was the transporter: very TNG/VOY.
I don't recall being bored, a hall mark of TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:14 AM   #35
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These Are the Voyages. I know how many of you feel about this episode, but watching this one recently, I found Riker and Troi's inclusion to be quite charming. Trip's untimely end still sucks, of course, but otherwise ... yeah, TATV is good stuff.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:26 AM   #36
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Yes it's a fine TNG episode of Riker and Troi in their fat years.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:33 AM   #37
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Riker also takes liberties with Holo-T'Pol.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:46 AM   #38
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He is a sleaze bag.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:49 AM   #39
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Troi's hair just made her head look rounder, that's all. She looked fine. Riker never changes. He always looks like what you'd picture a STARFLEET officer looking like. He did kiss Hologram T'Pol, that's true. But come on ... outside of Trip's death, there is nothing to nitpick in this episode. I particularly love how layered this episode is. The focus on the guest stars - Frakes and Siritis - is particularly effective. In fact, by having TNG's era reflecting on ENT's era is just another layer that adds to the ... to the texture ... to the flavour of this episode. And you know what else? I'll even go out on a line here, and say that even someone entirely new to STAR TREK would find this episode as satisfying as I have. A fan is something else ... too much critique involved. Not enough objectivity. On its own terms, TATV is solid entertainment and stands up nicely against some of the best STAR TREK that's out there.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:55 AM   #40
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No, to each his own, but no.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:56 AM   #41
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This episode was a piece of shit. It was a mess, Troi and Riker as unfond of both of them as I am looked like idiots in it. Riker playing history lesson vids to make an important decision which he should have made years ago. Troi once again reduced to echoing people's words back at them as therapy, as if the fans hadn't been mocking that lazy writing for years by then.

I could go on, the Trip and T'Pol stuff was a slap in the face and contextless.. but we've had countless threads about how godawful this least liked episode was.
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Old November 25 2013, 12:58 AM   #42
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Ladies ... don't start The Teaming Up Thing about this!
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Old November 25 2013, 01:01 AM   #43
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You know you could really drop the "ladies" thing you do. It's kind of unpleasant as well as being an assumption as to the gender of posters.

And people don't really team up about TATV, it's more like an angry mob.
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Old November 25 2013, 01:04 AM   #44
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"Ladies' thing I do ..."
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Old November 25 2013, 01:08 AM   #45
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No one likes to be lumped into a category based on gender, especially using outdated wording that has rather old fashioned gender role connotations. You've thrown me into your "ladies please!" pot a couple times now and I'm just advising you it doesn't come off well.
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