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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old December 4 2013, 02:18 PM   #76
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

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It wasn't just Paramount that wanted the two captains to meet. That's all the fandom was talking about.
I'm pretty sure the fans had something other in mind than the two captains buttering toast together.
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“I think that Kirk and Picard should have been locked in battle on spaceships, on their respective bridges, and not cooking eggs.”
But the idea that Kirk and Picard fight each other is incredibly stupid.
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Old December 4 2013, 02:31 PM   #77
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I'm pretty sure the fans had something other in mind than the two captains buttering toast together.
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“I think that Kirk and Picard should have been locked in battle on spaceships, on their respective bridges, and not cooking eggs.”
But the idea that Kirk and Picard fight each other is incredibly stupid.
Yep. However they tried to justify it, it would have been very contrived.

And of course fans had something other in mind than the two captains buttering toast together, but I did like that "calm before the storm" scene, even if the 'storm' was eventually a little disappointing.
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Old December 4 2013, 02:37 PM   #78
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

The idea itself is contrived. WHY do Picard and Kirk, who are 100 years apart, have to meet? Why?

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Old December 4 2013, 02:48 PM   #79
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who says theyd be fighting each other?
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Old December 4 2013, 03:12 PM   #80
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

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The idea itself is contrived. WHY do Picard and Kirk, who are 100 years apart, have to meet? Why?
Why not?

It's no different than sports fans comparing teams from different eras and dreaming of seeing them take on one another on the field.

Picard vs. Kirk would be tricky too pull off, but not impossible.
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Old December 4 2013, 03:25 PM   #81
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

Oh, I'm sure you could pull it off. Doesn't mean a Kirk vs. Picard battle would have all that made much sense nor would it have been very popular. And knowing how many Hollywood writers pen action scenes and scenarios it probably would have been dumber than a Paris Hilton lecture on quantum mechanics.

Mind you, we're talking about a movie where a whirling, swirling energy ribbon contains each individual person's idea of paradise and it can destroy a vessel that gets too close, but organic material like bodies are absorbed into it in one intact piece....but I digress.

I think the way they actually pulled it off was adequate and entertaining if very rushed. The whole Kirk-Picard Nexus sequence followed by the final confrontation with Soran happened so quickly that you didn't get enough time to enjoy the captains of the two different eras and series getting to spend time trading ideas and experiences. Whether you did or didn't like how Kirk eventually dies at the end of the film the entire Kirk-Picard section of the film felt too sped up after all those years of wanting and wondering and wishing that our two favorite Starfleet captains would eventually find some way to join forces.
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Old December 4 2013, 05:05 PM   #82
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

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It wasn't just Paramount that wanted the two captains to meet. That's all the fandom was talking about.
I'm pretty sure the fans had something other in mind than the two captains buttering toast together.
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“I think that Kirk and Picard should have been locked in battle on spaceships, on their respective bridges, and not cooking eggs.”
I remember hearing Braga say that and thinking, "Gosh, Brannon, if only you had been in a position to have done something about it."

Of course, the way the captains meet is far from the film's only problem. The biggest poblem of the entire film -- and the entire story falls apart as a result -- is that the character setups completely contradict the payoffs. I'm brought this up in other threads. The beginning of the film sets up Kirk's greatest wish as getting out of retirement and back into the action; then he gets into the Nexus, which gives him his greatest wish, which is... a quiet retirement? Huh? Picard, who has been thinking about the life he sacrificed by being a starship captain, very quickly shakes off the temptations of the Nexus and goes to convince Kirk to go back with him. The way Moore and Braga set up the story and the characters, it should be Kirk convincing Picard to go back, not the other way around. The payoff is the exact opposite of the setup. This is basic writing 101 stuff.
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Old December 6 2013, 05:41 PM   #83
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Veering offtopif for a moment, the excuse to get Nimoy to the JJ timeline in 2009 was cringy too, and also fubared the entire plot of that movie.

But the nexus was worse. No, Nexus-Guinan was worse. No, Picard crying like a schoolgirl was worse. No, the emotion chip subplot was worse. No, the sfx shot of the klingon ship exploding was -aaaagh wat I am I doing to myself?
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Old December 6 2013, 07:08 PM   #84
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

Riker also did his "lean" in the movie. Clearly the work of History's Greatest Monster.
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Old December 8 2013, 09:10 AM   #85
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Veering offtopif for a moment, the excuse to get Nimoy to the JJ timeline in 2009 was cringy too, and also fubared the entire plot of that movie.
Eh? The plot of Abrams's movie was that an alternate universe was created because of the actions of Spock Prime. How is that 'fubared?"
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Old December 8 2013, 11:49 AM   #86
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

Yeah, really.

Spock Prime from the classic Trek timeline inadvertently helped create the Abramsverse while trying to stop the supernova shockwave. It's no different from past alterations of history except that the Abrams timeline persists and we continue to follow the events within it.

Not seeing the problem other than "convenient excuse to have Leonard Nimoy in the last two films to get more butts in the seats," but again - why is that a problem? Spock Prime helps tie the two timelines and realities together. He's a welcome facet of and addition to the new films.
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Old December 9 2013, 07:53 PM   #87
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Eh? The plot of Abrams's movie was that an alternate universe was created because of the actions of Spock Prime. How is that 'fubared?"
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Not seeing the problem other than "convenient excuse to have Leonard Nimoy in the last two films to get more butts in the seats,"
That's exactly the problem. The same mentality that made them bring Shatner to Generations, the thinking a 'new' movie (or generation) cannot hold its own in the ticket market.

In the JJ's case, an entire alt-universe had to be created in order to allow 80-year old Nimoy in, bringing the awful Nero and his supernova into the plot with it.

But I confess to be torn between these points, I really am a fan of Nimoy and Shatner and liked to see them both in these otherwise 'meh' movies.
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Old December 11 2013, 03:49 PM   #88
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I like seeing Nimoy and in the grand scheme of Trek, his coming to the new timeline makes sense.
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Old December 11 2013, 04:03 PM   #89
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Of course it makes sense. At least inasmuch as pretty much anything in the Trek universe makes sense, yeah. He comes from the original timeline and had failed to prevent the destruction of Romulus. The Red Matter black hole sucks him inside and deposits him 129 years into the past, right into an altered history. Spock Prime is our connection to classic Trek and the universe we watched unfold for almost forty years and he's the evidence that the old timeline still exists.

Our revered Trek Classic didn't die, they're just not telling new, filmed stories in it.
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Old December 11 2013, 10:43 PM   #90
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Our revered Trek Classic didn't die, they're just not telling new, filmed stories in it.
Which means that it's dead.
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