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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old January 6 2014, 01:39 AM   #136
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

Why can't it be a natural phenomenon that came out of nowhere?
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Old January 6 2014, 01:57 AM   #137
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Why can't it be a natural phenomenon that came out of nowhere?
Not enough continuity porn.
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Old January 7 2014, 12:57 PM   #138
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on the topic of reused special effects, I can't confirm, but I read the explosion of the battle section was the same one used for the USS Grissom.

on the topic of the Nexus' origin and composition, I think that is unexplainable. I love fanwanking as much as anyone else, but that is too silly.

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Old January 8 2014, 05:37 AM   #139
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

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You forget that "Q2" completely contradicts the Next Gen episode "True Q", which was all about a young offspring of the Q. So I don't really mind if an old novel does it too!
IIRC, the two Q in "True Q" became human and had a human child through natural human childbirth, while Q and Suzie Plakson-Q conceived their child in their natural Q forms, so it's not quite the same thing.

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on the topic of reused special effects, I can't confirm, but I read the explosion of the battle section was the same one used for the USS Grissom.
I've heard that rumor as well, and it's probably true, based on the fact that the stardrive section was this tiny little thing in the upper left corner of the frame, and its explosion lasts for all of two seconds. Now compare that to the destruction of the original Enterprise in STIII. The Ent-D gets nothing of the dignity of her predecessor.
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Old January 8 2014, 03:41 PM   #140
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The biggest mistake of all was putting the 1701-D's destruction in the trailers before the film ever came out. WTF? I know they wanted to get butts in the seats and make the movie a blockbuster, but shouldn't the news of Kirk and Picard joining forces have been enough? Something the fans had waited almost a decade for at that point?

For the record, the original Enterprise was also seen being destroyed in the original trailers to TSFS back in the spring of 1984, and that was similarly baffling, but Star Trek III tends to be given more slack by the fans than Generations and is seen as the superior film in most respects.
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Old January 8 2014, 03:42 PM   #141
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The biggest mistake of all was putting the 1701-D's destruction in the trailers before the film ever came out. WTF? I know they wanted to get butts in the seats and make the movie a blockbuster, but shouldn't the news of Kirk and Picard joining forces have been enough? Something the fans had waited almost a decade for at that point?
Well, after the trailer, I was expecting that Kirk was actually in command of the Ent-D at some point and had to destroy it.
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Old January 8 2014, 05:31 PM   #142
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Well, after the trailer, I was expecting that Kirk was actually in command of the Ent-D at some point and had to destroy it.
Which would've been so much cooler than what we got and it would have been a proper sendoff for Kirk.

I always found it odd that a single TOS character that appeared in TNG never made it to the bridge of the Enterprise-D.
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Old January 9 2014, 09:03 AM   #143
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I like the idea that the Nexus is actually an impossibly advanced starship, but the crew are long lost to their fantasies and it's been on autopilot for the last million years or so.
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Old January 27 2014, 11:40 PM   #144
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I've just watched Generations for the first time in at least 7 years, and I feel like my opinion of it has changed somewhat, I saw it on the big screen 4 times as a scruffy 19 year old student and loved it, but as time went by it gradually slid down the pecking order until I stopped watching it.

Now upon revisiting, I absolutely adore the way the film looks, the cinematography, lighting, score - all first rate, the scenes on the Enterprise near the Amagosa station are stunning looking lending the film a real big screen quality that the likes of 'Insurrection' sorely lacked and to a lesser extent 'First Contact' and 'Nemesis' I don't think a Trek film looked as good until JJ came along to be honest, I just didn't appreciate it all those years ago. The other surprise is how well the visual effects hold up, in that they do very well indeed and barely seem to have dated against all but the blockbusters of the last decade or so, the Enterprise looks awesome in every shot it's in - check out the approach to the Amagosa station - gorgeous, the destruction of Veridian 3 easily holds up to and perhaps even beats the destruction of Vulcan in ST09 - and that is no mean feat considering the films age. The Enterprise crash still holds up very well today also - very clever use of models and slo-mo give the scene a realistic edge, I don't think that the CGI of the time would have worked anywhere near as well. (We'll just forget about the recycled footage of the BoP explosion eh?)

I was seriously upping the films ranking as I was watching it last night, then I remembered what I disliked about it. The moment you see Picard spinning with the blindfold on my heart sank as I recalled this is pretty much the moment the film falls on it's arse for me, not just the whole stupidity of the Nexus plot, but the very cheap looking climax at the rocket launch site combined with some cheesy dialogue and the lousy death of James T threatens to undermine the rest of the movie, which for the most part I found to be quite excellent up to that point.

I enjoyed it as much as I did back in '94 again in the main and now see it as a pretty solid installment in the series that has aged a lot better that I thought it had.
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Old January 30 2014, 01:59 AM   #145
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When Soran kills the sun and the Nexus fills the sky, rushing towards him ... it's epic! Every time. I never get bored with that scene or judge it differently. It's so Over the Top and seems to represent the tone that the movie, overall, was after. Unfortunately, it never achieves that, anywhere else. Not even Kirk's death holds that kind of drama. It's sad, but it's so flat in its delivery it's almost boring. And I absolutely agree on the cinematography and the look of the ENTERPRISE. Gates and Marina are absolutely beautiful in this movie and where the look is concerned, this movie succeeds wildly.
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Old January 30 2014, 02:05 AM   #146
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Visually I'd rank it up there with TMP and the two Abrams films for eye-catching beauty. Even if you don't like the story or Kirk's death Generations is amazing eye candy that grabs you.
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Old January 30 2014, 03:22 AM   #147
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Visually I'd rank it up there with TMP and the two Abrams films for eye-catching beauty. Even if you don't like the story or Kirk's death Generations is amazing eye candy that grabs you.
Seeing Jonathan Frakes trying to squeeze into Avery Brooks' DS9 unform is pretty eye-catching, I'll admit, but far from beautiful.
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Old January 30 2014, 10:05 AM   #148
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When Soran kills the sun and the Nexus fills the sky, rushing towards him ... it's epic! Every time. I never get bored with that scene or judge it differently. It's so Over the Top and seems to represent the tone that the movie, overall, was after. Unfortunately, it never achieves that, anywhere else. Not even Kirk's death holds that kind of drama. It's sad, but it's so flat in its delivery it's almost boring. And I absolutely agree on the cinematography and the look of the ENTERPRISE. Gates and Marina are absolutely beautiful in this movie and where the look is concerned, this movie succeeds wildly.
Totally agree - great scene, it's pretty much everything after that scene that I've got a problem with, the film seemed so grand and visually stunning up to that point, with what seemed at the time ground-breaking effects, then we get a load of nonsense in the nexus and Picard gets his arse handed to him for the second time in the movie, then all we get is a couple of old guys fighting on a cheap looking set - I know it was on location but the whole thing reeked of 'we've ran out of money'

In a way it almost feels like the moment all the rest of the TNG movies would eventually follow - films done on the cheap. But for a glorious 75 minutes on the big screen I was really optimistic for the Trek movie franchise.

Thats not to say I dislike the TNG movies, I do, I like them all, but looking back, they were just unable to compete with the other blockbusters of the day. I guess that's part of the reason the JJ movies are like they are.
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Old January 30 2014, 11:18 AM   #149
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Agreed, sir! GENERATIONS follows in the footsteps of the TOS movies, by reusing as much as possible. The space station interiors were a reuse of some set, or another. And, as I understand it, they made it a point to milk it for all it was worth. Unfortunately, they chose not to focus on Soran's dealings there, but chose to have it be about Data's Emotion Chip. Giving Malcolm McDowell something meatier to do in this movie could only have helped it, but this movie isn't called "SORAN" and there's a reason for that. Data's so annoying throughout the "Looking for Trilithium" sequence, that I tend to fastforward a lot through this scene. Annoying your audience isn't really a good idea, but ... the set did get shown alot in all of its sort of "glory." And that's what's important.
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Old January 30 2014, 11:55 AM   #150
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wonder what else couldve been done once Picard enters the nexus?

actually i don't have a problem with the Xmas scene as i think it works well. Going from the planet to the Xmas scene, picards ultimate desire and the deduction of what happened via the baubles give it an eerie twilight zone feel. Ok guinan appearing isnt too good but i guess she has to as it ties in with their prev scene and he has to get to kirk. Also PS mustve had some input into that scene with his love for Xmas Carol, plus its nice to have an Xmas scene in a trek film to bring out at xmas!

however kirks nexus wasn't great. Its like we get the build up to the anticipated Picard meets kirk scene and its the log cabin better to have had it on the Ent A (or B) bridge with kirk in his standard uniform (besides wasn't it kirks ultimate desire to be back in the chair? kind of the opposite to Picard) then have them argue/debate around the ship and at some point we see the Ent A in space again, and maybe instead of the horse scene they appear in Kirks apartment from Trek II & III (no horses, Picard meets kirk not shatner!)

then when they go back to defeat soran kirk somehow ends up on the Ent D sacrificing himself to save the ship?

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