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Old November 22 2013, 01:00 AM   #31
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Re: Transformers G1: Favourite moments?

Season 3 gets flack because of several factors namely a) the terrible animation due to mostly how Hasbro sunk much of the animation budget for and b) it followed in the heels of the movie where Optimus Prime was perceived to have died at the hands of Megatron partially due to Hot Rod, which in turn created somewhat of backlash from the nascent fandom of the time. According to Hasbro's own internal data, a lot of the kids (now adults) saw Optimus Prime very much as a father figure and what happened in the movie no doubt had a negative effect on their perception of Hot Rod and later Rodimus. But you are right, Season 3 had some of the best scripts and employed notable writers such as Diane Duane, Len Wein and Marv Wolfman. Five Faces of Darkness with the origin of the Transformers, Only Human with the return of Cobra Commander, Ultimate Weapon with Rodimus standing up to Galvatron and exploration of First Aid's non-violence were all very good scripts that would have been remembered more fondly if not for the animation problems.
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Old November 22 2013, 01:56 AM   #32
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The funny thing about Prime's death is, it's not necessarily Hot Rod who deserves as much flak (though it's quite understandable given how it was portrayed). Duke's intended death for G.I. Joe: The Movie was created earlier, conceptually, and Hasbro agreed on the condition that they could do the same to Optimus in the Transformers movie. It was released earlier and got a very negative response, so Duke's death was quickly nixed.

Did Diane Duane do any eps other than "Webworld"? That's the only one I can remember her credit for immediately, but I could be wrong. And it's a very strange episode, IMO. I sometimes think it's partially to blame for Galvatron being stereotyped as a nutcase.
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Old November 22 2013, 03:16 AM   #33
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Season 3 gets flack because of several factors namely a) the terrible animation due to mostly how Hasbro sunk much of the animation budget for and b) it followed in the heels of the movie where Optimus Prime was perceived to have died at the hands of Megatron partially due to Hot Rod, which in turn created somewhat of backlash from the nascent fandom of the time. According to Hasbro's own internal data, a lot of the kids (now adults) saw Optimus Prime very much as a father figure and what happened in the movie no doubt had a negative effect on their perception of Hot Rod and later Rodimus. But you are right, Season 3 had some of the best scripts and employed notable writers such as Diane Duane, Len Wein and Marv Wolfman. Five Faces of Darkness with the origin of the Transformers, Only Human with the return of Cobra Commander, Ultimate Weapon with Rodimus standing up to Galvatron and exploration of First Aid's non-violence were all very good scripts that would have been remembered more fondly if not for the animation problems.
I agree that the poorly-animated episodes in Season 3 tended to color fans' perceptions of the show, but even in those examples you mentioned, both "Only Human" and "The Ultimate Weapon" display some fine animation, especially the latter. AKOM was responsible for some really shoddy animation, but "Only Human" is probably their best work for that season. For sure season 3 lacked the consistency of animation found in the prior two seasons, although "The Core" and "The Autobot Run" from season two feature animation just as sub-par as "Carnage in C-Minor" from season three.

However, when you look again at season three I think everyone will find a great number of well animated episodes, such as "The Killing Jar", "Chaos", "Dweller In The Depths", "Fight or Flee", "Call of the Primitives"... even "Webworld" and "Nightmare Planet" feature some solid animation and striking visuals throughout.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:28 AM   #34
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In "Fight or Flee", I love the sequence when Sandstorm convinces his planet's people to rebel against the Decepticons and it turns into a massive conflict. The ending is also memorable in its ambiguity and Rodimus' questionable actions.
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Old November 26 2013, 05:12 PM   #35
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With episodes such as "Grimlock's New Brain", Optimus Prime must have been laughing from within the matrix.

"You got me killed. Well, haha, now you'll have take on the burden of leadership. And as an added bonus, you'll have to put up with Grimlock, who I had a hand in creating"
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Old November 26 2013, 07:06 PM   #36
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"Carnage in C-Minor" has some of the more hilarious examples of animation problems in the series, chiefly this one and this one. I don't think Voyager class Soundwave has much to fear from Legion class Blaster. My only specific gripe with the episode is that the aliens talk in musical English, but only Blaster and Soundwave seem able to understand them.
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Old November 26 2013, 07:15 PM   #37
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Unicron, I'm going to be disappointed if you don't make some "in-character" references.

Come to think of it, is Starscream still around?
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Old November 26 2013, 07:16 PM   #38
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"Carnage in C-Minor" has some of the more hilarious examples of animation problems in the series, chiefly this one and this one. I don't think Voyager class Soundwave has much to fear from Legion class Blaster. My only specific gripe with the episode is that the aliens talk in musical English, but only Blaster and Soundwave seem able to understand them.
Wow, I forgot about that 2nd example you posted, my goodness that is a major size difference! It's as if the animators and layout operators wanted to see if anyone at Sunbow was paying attention that day... and maybe they weren't?
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Old November 26 2013, 07:29 PM   #39
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"Thief in the Night" - if for no other reason, that it's amusing how "CarBombYa" managed to get past the censors
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Old November 26 2013, 11:34 PM   #40
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It's a pity that caused Casey Kasem to leave, though. While it's unlikely the name was ever meant to be more than a pun, he felt it was a stereotype and refused to come back for the third season.

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Wow, I forgot about that 2nd example you posted, my goodness that is a major size difference! It's as if the animators and layout operators wanted to see if anyone at Sunbow was paying attention that day... and maybe they weren't?
It was a fairly common error, although the "Carnage" one was probably the most glaringly noticeable. One of the problems with the S3 animation was that the movie characters had two sets of character models, an earlier set closer to the toys (or at least their existing prototypes) and a final version that was used for the movie and intended for regular use in S3. Sometimes though the models would get switched between episodes, and Cyclonus is a noted case. He appears with his earlier toy-based design in "Starscream's Ghost" and a few others.

Broadside is a much stranger case, in that his "Carnage" appearance used the unbuilt prototype character model. Apparently he was supposed to be released this way in toy form, as a prototype figure existed in UK catalogs and he was drawn with this model on the 1986 battle art. But at some point his design changed to the official toy and character model that was used for his later appearances. Amusingly enough, his sole appearance in the American comic was edited into a generic Autobot in the British continuity because the Wreckers were elsewhere at the time. Loser...
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Old November 28 2013, 05:24 AM   #41
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Boy! Talk about a tough thread! Transformers The Movie had too many awesome lines as did the series in general now that you mention it. One of my favorite S2 eps was the one where the game hunter is trying to capture Optimus Prime.

Prime (battling a robotic spider): "Don't you know it's dangerous to play with poison, Mrs. Black Widow?"
Astrotrain (after he and Blitzwing were freed): "Fool! Don't you know never to trust a Decepticon?"


Also, the "More Than Meets The Eye" opening arc was good as well

Megatron:"Any last words Prime?"
Optimus: "None you'd want to hear!"

God, those were the days. Transformers had some great dialogue writers and voice actors.
*nostalgia high*
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Old November 28 2013, 05:32 AM   #42
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Unicron, I'm going to be disappointed if you don't make some "in-character" references.

Come to think of it, is Starscream still around?
we never see him again in the series but one of the characters makes a statement that implies that he was still alive ("I didn't know a ghost could scream like that"- or something to that effect)
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Old November 28 2013, 06:03 AM   #43
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Umm....
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Old November 28 2013, 01:31 PM   #44
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Unicron, I'm going to be disappointed if you don't make some "in-character" references.

Come to think of it, is Starscream still around?
we never see him again in the series but one of the characters makes a statement that implies that he was still alive ("I didn't know a ghost could scream like that"- or something to that effect)
First: Starscream's ghost appears again in the Beast Wars series. Second: he wasn't talking about Starscream the decepticon. He was talking about the poster.

On topic, Transformers: the movie has so many memorable moments. That's why it's so great. One of my favorite moments from the cartoon is this:



Hound: "Ummm, Cliffjumper, maybe we should talk about these feelings of inadequacy you have."
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Favorite Megatron VS Starscream scene

Or this one @ 7:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cvNR...tailpage#t=436
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