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View Poll Results: Rate The Poisoned Chalice.
Outstanding 52 53.06%
Above Average 40 40.82%
Average 5 5.10%
Below Average 1 1.02%
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Old December 1 2013, 12:20 PM   #76
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Re: TF: The Poisoned Chalice by James Swallow Review Thread (Spoilers!

What's the betting that Andor will make a full pardon for Bashir a condition of their readmission to the Federation?
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Old December 1 2013, 02:05 PM   #77
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I got it on thursday, and finished yesterday afternoon. I loved the book, and can't wait to read more about Admiral Riker! I await Peaceable Kingdoms with baited breath
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Old December 1 2013, 03:17 PM   #78
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The Andorians were the good guys in this book and I really am glad that they helped Deanna Troi with her mission with Christine Vale
I like Admiral Riker and hope we'll get to see more of the Titan crew featured in another story.
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Old December 1 2013, 04:14 PM   #79
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What's the betting that Andor will make a full pardon for Bashir a condition of their readmission to the Federation?
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Old December 1 2013, 05:19 PM   #80
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One thing I noticed while reading the novel: Three years have passed since Titan's last adventure, yet all the ensigns are still ensigns. Was nobody promoted? Torvig and Lavena would have been an obvious candidates, and Dakal (despite his comparatively recent graduation).

Every position filled by a commander would be over the top, of course, but is not some auto-promotion feature after serving a couple of years?*

*That would exclude artificial lifeforms, as we saw that Data never made it past lieutenant commander in 15 years.
Wasn't Lavena promoted in Over a Torrent Sea? I know what you mean overall though. I kind of chalk this up to societies' focus on self actualization in the Trekverse. I would not expect 21st Century military culture or standards to remain in effect especially with all kinds of longer and shorter lived species in the mix. I guess you could use TNG's Tapestry as evidence against this being the case, but it makes sense, to me at least, that there would not be the same stigma against someone on a slow curve as long as misconduct is not a factor.

I always though Harry Kim's first best destiny was to be an ensign forever until Kirsten Beyer started writing him .

As for the novel, I am on the fence between above average and outstanding. I just finished yesterday and I'm still mulling it over.
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Old December 1 2013, 05:50 PM   #81
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^Harry wasn't promoted by Kirsten. He received a 2 grade promotion (just like Tom and B'Elanna) when Voyager got to Earth in Homecoming...by Christie Golden.
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Old December 1 2013, 07:05 PM   #82
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This always makes me think of how promotion was handled on RDM and David Eick's Battlestar Galactica, especially Starbuck's progression from Lieutenant to Captain (was she ever a major?), or Lee's from Captain to Commander. Or more broadly how much more layered and utilised by the writers the rank structure was on the show (I really loved the camera pull in the mini-series in the first Galactica scene, and the roll of ranks 'Commander', 'Lieutenant Gaeta', 'Captain Kelly', 'Colonel', etc). That scene should begin here (it's about 4.40 minutes into the video)
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Old December 1 2013, 07:53 PM   #83
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I voted "Above Average".

This worked really well for me as an entry in The Fall - lots of plot twists and intrigue, surprises kept coming, good cloak-and-dagger storyline. I thought Ishan was better portrayed here than he was in the prior novel; less cartoon-y, more menacing.

But as a Titan novel, it fell short for me, primarily because it's been three years since the last Titan novel and there's no sense of that in the text at all. It feels like nothing has happened since Fallen Gods. Also, I wonder if it was an intentional choice to focus on the Titan characters that TV fans would know and sideline the novel-only characters a bit; Vale was the only novel-only character to really get an arc, and most of the crew of the ship just helps out Riker a bit through the middle. I really *like* these characters, and the idea of Titan as an exploring ship, and there hasn't been a good Titan-y Titan novel since Synthesis, published in 2009. I hope this isn't the end for Titan; there's still a ton of potential in this series, and it seems to perpetually never quite live up to it.

Don't get me wrong, this is a solid novel, I like James Swallow as a writer a lot. The novel did what it set out to do quite well. This just had a different set of priorities than I would've preferred.
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Old December 1 2013, 08:17 PM   #84
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Old December 1 2013, 08:26 PM   #85
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"I didn't know about it and it was my chief of staff" thing going on with high level black ops would probably be a pretty damning indictment of that politician's ability to actually RUN a government. This is doubly true if it's his chief of staff, and not some underling two or three steps below that level doing it.
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Old December 1 2013, 08:45 PM   #86
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I just finished this book and thought it was amazing. In terms of action, it's been a long time since I've read such a great book about hand to hand combat, etc. The last one I can remember is Star Trek DS9: Abyss. I also have to say the whole setting of "black ops" and "black sites" is terrific in the Star Trek future. Not only because of recent political events in real life but also because it's a side of Star Trek I wish was written more of!
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Old December 1 2013, 08:45 PM   #87
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Old December 1 2013, 09:21 PM   #88
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Well, Pres. Obama claimed not to know anything about the NSA spying on our own allies. So, it might not be that far fetched as it sounds.
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Old December 2 2013, 02:00 AM   #89
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Well, Pres. Obama claimed not to know anything about the NSA spying on our own allies. So, it might not be that far fetched as it sounds.
It's one thing to not know what one of your agencies is doing. It'd be another thing if it was revealed back in 2009 that Rahm Emmanuel had been running a CIA hit squad using it to go after political opponents and the like. While I know there's crazy people out there who believe that stuff, if it had actually happened, there's no way the President would've survived the scandal.

Or imagine if instead of Oliver North it had been James Baker responsible for Iran Contra. Reagan wouldn't have survived that, even if he was Teflon Ron.
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Old December 2 2013, 02:52 AM   #90
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I think the writers are trying to draw a comparison to LBJ. The country gave him the benefit-of-the-doubt immediately after his predecessor's assassination, and Life Magazine pulled an article on LBJ's shady finances because they wanted to give the new president a chance to succeed.

Keep in mind that it has only been about a month since the assassination took place, and the election is less than another month away. It would be the equivalent of LBJ's chief of staff resigning in disgrace in December 1963 with the election taking place in January 1964. Scandals take time to metastasize in the public mind, and it's not hard to see the public just being glad the new president found out about his rogue chief of staff so quickly.
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