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Old February 22 2014, 01:59 PM   #1
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Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

Does the fact that there are some places in the world that are quite dangerous and poor right now prevent the authors for mentionong them as part of the Trek universe?

Does it take the readers out of the story?
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Old February 22 2014, 03:19 PM   #2
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

Interesting question. I had a little trepidation opening this thread since all I could see of the title was "Vacation in Afghanistan". I spent almost a year there and the thought of going there on a vacation is so antithetic to me. Just reading the title evoked emotion in me. While it would likely take me out of the story, I'm now wondering what it would be like a couple hundred years in the future. Likely no change to what it's like now, tribal wars, oppression of females, etc - BUT - if we follow the history as laid out in the Trek universe I wonder if things would change. I just don't know if it's realistic. I guess anything is possible, especially in the hands of our Trek writers.
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Old February 22 2014, 03:25 PM   #3
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

DDD...D Unit wrote: View Post
Does it take the readers out of the story?
Why would it?

Somalia was mentioned in a novel a few years back and there are always references to the States and the like.
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Old February 22 2014, 04:39 PM   #4
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

I would think not, in the future these places will not be dangerous or poor.
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Old February 22 2014, 05:08 PM   #5
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

I'm not sure I get the question. What does modern-day Afghanistan have to do with the 23rd Century? I'm not sure why I'd need to mention Afghanistan in a Trek novel, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to do so if the occasion arose. It's not like they're set in a parallel universe in which nothing bad ever happened in Earth's history.

If we can have Martian colonies in the future, I think we can have vacations in the Congo . . . .
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Old February 22 2014, 06:21 PM   #6
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

Dimesdan wrote: View Post
DDD...D Unit wrote: View Post
Does it take the readers out of the story?
Why would it?

Somalia was mentioned in a novel a few years back and there are always references to the States and the like.
Mentioned? Geordi was born in Somalia, and that was shown on screen.


I always found it a shame how many people were born in the USA in trek, probably about 50% of the characters.pst of the rest were born off world.
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Old February 22 2014, 06:40 PM   #7
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I would think not, in the future these places will not be dangerous or poor.
Bingo. If we accept that there are flying cars and transporter terminals in future San Francisco, why not assume the same for Afghanistan or wherever?
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Old February 22 2014, 08:59 PM   #8
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I'm not sure why I'd need to mention Afghanistan in a Trek novel, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to do so if the occasion arose.
I guess for similar reasons why they introduced a Russian navigator. Concrete examples of the world being at peace in the future.
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Old February 22 2014, 09:20 PM   #9
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I'm not sure why I'd need to mention Afghanistan in a Trek novel, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to do so if the occasion arose.
I guess for similar reasons why they introduced a Russian navigator. Concrete examples of the world being at peace in the future.
Works for me.
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Old February 22 2014, 10:57 PM   #10
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

Since the whole world is now supposed to be pretty much a unified whole in the Star Trek future, I would assume that would mean that all of the countries of the would have gotten over all of the problems they have today.
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Old February 23 2014, 01:22 AM   #11
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Since the whole world is now supposed to be pretty much a unified whole in the Star Trek future, I would assume that would mean that all of the countries of the would have gotten over all of the problems they have today.
Absolutely. I think that's been very much the assumption since Day One. There may well be hot spots and border skirmishes and badlands out on the Final Frontier, but I don't think it's ever been implied that there are still impoverished, war-torn regions on Earth.

Hmm. Now I'm tempted to work a reference to Afghan theme parks and luxury resorts into the next book . . . .
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Old February 23 2014, 01:23 AM   #12
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

In Losing the Peace Somalia's basically portrayed as being another urbanized area of Earth, pretty Americanized at that.
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Old February 23 2014, 01:25 AM   #13
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

Every time I see this thread title, I hear "Holiday in Cambodia" by The Dead Kennedys in my head.
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Old February 23 2014, 11:19 AM   #14
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

I understood the question somewhat differently. I thought the OP was suggesting that, because such places are trouble spots now, they might not even exist by the time we get to the 23rd/24th centuries. And therefore the authors might not want to mention them on the off chance of creating an inconsistency between the "real" world and "Star Trek" world. That if Afghanistan gets wiped off the face of the Earth in the next couple of years, any books that mention Afghanistan as a thriving centre of culture and commerce in Earth's future would immediately become incongruous.

I could be totally misunderstanding the OP there, but if I'm not, I don't think there's anything to be worried about on that score. A place being damaged now doesn't mean it can't be rebuilt over the centuries. Look at New Orleans. And no writer has ever been worried about being slightly inconsistent with the real world if it makes the story better.

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Old February 23 2014, 03:10 PM   #15
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Re: Vacation in Afghanistan, honey moon in Congo

It might be interesting to examine precisely which countries and nations exist within United Earth as of the 23rd or 24th Centuries. Which have official political status and which are just holdover names for certain regions (to the extent that any nation is more than a symbolic holdout, of course)? The United States of America, United States of Africa and African Confederation are established; the European Hegemony existed for a time but no longer does, replaced by the European Alliance. The Muslim Bloc formed in the 2030s or there about; does it still exist?

We saw in Tales From the Dominion War that the office of President of the United States still exists - he or she tours the devastated San Francisco alongside the United Earth Prime Minister and Federation President Zife (a nice little representation of staggered authority, there).
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