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Old November 15 2013, 11:34 PM   #136
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Harry was the Voyager counterpart to Miles O'Brien, yet you don't see people whining about 'poor Miles'.
The difference is O'brien could've been an officer if he had wanted and probably would've advanced. He was happy being enlisted. Kim... couldn't advance even though he did want to.
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Old November 15 2013, 11:47 PM   #137
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The other difference is O'Brien had testicles.
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Old November 15 2013, 11:54 PM   #138
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Harry would always crack under pressure, then punish himself and everybody else by screaming "It's all my fault! I killed them!" like he did in Timeless.
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Old November 15 2013, 11:59 PM   #139
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The difference is O'brien could've been an officer if he had wanted and probably would've advanced. He was happy being enlisted. Kim... couldn't advance even though he did want to.
Exactly. O'Brien didn't stand around feeling sorry for himself either.

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The other difference is O'Brien had testicles.
They were made of steel.
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Old November 16 2013, 04:58 AM   #140
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Re: Lt. Kim

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DigificWriter wrote: View Post

Harry was the Voyager counterpart to Miles O'Brien, yet you don't see people whining about 'poor Miles'.
The difference is O'brien could've been an officer if he had wanted and probably would've advanced. He was happy being enlisted. Kim... couldn't advance even though he did want to.
So instead of realizing that it wouldn't make much sense for there to be many promotions given to anyone, or appreciating that he's a Senior Officer on his first major assignment anywhere....he just whines over it?

No wonder he wouldn't get promoted.
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Old November 18 2013, 11:28 AM   #141
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Harry could have been given a promotion just out of recognition of several years of competent service in an important bridge position. We're not talking anything senior here, just lieutenant jg, I think he was ready for that! Practically speaking it doesn't mean much more than a pat on the back and a "well done" but hey, he still deserves it and maybe it would give him a confidence boost.

It would also mean he can't get bossed around by B'ellana or Tom, not that I ever recall them giving him orders anyway.

As for miles, he's apparently the only NCO in starfleet so it's kind of hard to figure out how he fits in.
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Old November 18 2013, 11:51 AM   #142
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Harry could have been given a promotion just out of recognition of several years of competent service in an important bridge position. We're not talking anything senior here, just lieutenant jg, I think he was ready for that! Practically speaking it doesn't mean much more than a pat on the back and a "well done" but hey, he still deserves it and maybe it would give him a confidence boost.
He should get a shiny ribbon that says "Participant".
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Old November 18 2013, 03:40 PM   #143
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Harry was the Voyager counterpart to Miles O'Brien, yet you don't see people whining about 'poor Miles'.
The difference is O'brien could've been an officer if he had wanted and probably would've advanced. He was happy being enlisted. Kim... couldn't advance even though he did want to.
Wouldn't he have to graduate the academy to become an officer?
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Old November 18 2013, 04:34 PM   #144
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I'm sure the Writers would've contrived some scenario wherein he gets a Field Commission like General Martok did.

Again, why does no one complain about O'Brien they way they do about Kim?

And why does no one complain about the other VOY crew? No one is upset that Chakotay was a Commander throughout the series, or Paris never went beyond Lt or anything.
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Old November 18 2013, 05:06 PM   #145
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Harry was the Voyager counterpart to Miles O'Brien, yet you don't see people whining about 'poor Miles'.
The difference is O'brien could've been an officer if he had wanted and probably would've advanced. He was happy being enlisted. Kim... couldn't advance even though he did want to.
Wouldn't he have to graduate the academy to become an officer?
No. Every military in the world allows for experienced NCOs to become officers and TNG supported this concept with field commissions.
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Old November 18 2013, 06:00 PM   #146
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The other difference is O'Brien had testicles.
They were made of steel.
He had moobs of steel.
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Old November 19 2013, 01:15 PM   #147
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Again, why does no one complain about O'Brien they way they do about Kim?

And why does no one complain about the other VOY crew? No one is upset that Chakotay was a Commander throughout the series, or Paris never went beyond Lt or anything.
Paris got busted down and then had to work just to reclaim his original rank. re: chakotay, Janeway probably doesn't even have the authority to raise someone to her own rank.

Kim stands out the most because he's the most junior guy, despite having his own important bridge role. The higher someone is, the longer you'd expect between promotions anyway.

Obrien was already quite high up the NCO roster. The question here is more what roles go to officers and what to NCOs, in starfleet. It's something hard to get a fix on cos writers tended to forget NCOs even existed, and have loads of junior officers floating around.
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Old November 19 2013, 01:28 PM   #148
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Paris got Busted twice.

He was a convict on work release with no rank when the story started.

Innocent until proven guilty, the Maquis UFP Citizens with full voting rights.

Actually?

If there are constitutional guarantees for a speedy trial, and double jeopardy applies, the Federation forfeits and can't relevy the terrorism charges.

The Maquis are free!
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Old November 24 2013, 09:20 PM   #149
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The other difference is O'Brien had testicles.
And knows how to use the stick attached to those.
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Old November 24 2013, 10:26 PM   #150
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If that was true he wouldn't keep accidentally making babies.
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