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Old April 1 2008, 08:32 PM   #1
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Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

So I've been reading a lot of books lately, star trek memories and such and it seems like Shatner was really disliked, but Nichelle and George seemed to atleast like dislike him enough to like him on some professional level, like when they roasted Shatner. Doohan on the other hand refused to have anything to even do with him, turning down money deals just so he wouldn't have to work with Shatner on Futurama and such.

Now I know why Shatner was generally disliked, like taking lines and such but does anyone know anything personal he did to Jimmy Doohan to earn his hate?
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Old April 1 2008, 08:40 PM   #2
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

The shatner haters will invade your post but I will give you the real reasons why Doohan hated Shatner..

1. He was jealous of Shatner. As you stated, Shatner took Doohan's lines. Well, TOO BAD, Jimmy. Shatner was the star of the show. And like Jack Lord, Tom Selleck, he had the right to trade lines...

2. Shatner often took credit for getting Jimmy the job. Shatner did suggest Jimmy for the job...and..wow..he got it!

3. Shatner revealed the fact that someone from the main cast, in a drunk state of mind, sexually harrased the woman who played Rand. Hmmmm..I wonder who that was.

Nichelle Nicholes? no...
Nimoy (Shatner's close friend...no...)
De'Kelley (class act..)
Koenig (wasn't there yet)
Takie (gay)

So that leaves either Shatner, who wrote the book, or Doohan.!! Now, in defence of Doohan, he is never named at the person who did it, nor am I..but you get the picture.

I have been to dozens of Trek conventions, starting in the late 70s. I have heard the lower rung actors bitch and bitch how hard it was to escape Trek's shadow. Well, Shatner did it, and so they are jealous hacks.

Okay ani-shats...time to spread more of your lies about the only Emmy winning actor who starred in Star Trek...WILLIAM SHATNER!!
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Old April 1 2008, 08:46 PM   #3
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

RobertScorpio wrote: View Post
The shatner haters will invade your post
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Okay ani-shats...time to spread more of your lies about the only Emmy winning actor who starred in Star Trek...WILLIAM SHATNER!!
While I think it is silly to be a "Shatner hater," I think it is equally silly to act as if the sun shines out of the man's ass.
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Old April 1 2008, 08:48 PM   #4
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

Well, there are many stories of the actors disliking him because of his ego. Even worse are the stories of Shatner pushing the writers and directors to rework scripts giving him the best lines. And then there was Shatner's put down of Star Trek fans which Doohan though was bitting the hand that fed them.
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Old April 1 2008, 08:52 PM   #5
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If I remember that book right, though, I think Shatner said that it was someone on the [i]production staff[i] that was doing the drunken harassing all the time, not the acting cast.

Been a long time since I've gone over the book, though.
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Old April 1 2008, 08:53 PM   #6
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

Look at how many decades it took Shatner to get that Emmy.

What's Nimoy's excuse, he had a more lucrative career than Shats.

Why did Shatner appologize a few years ago to all his cast mates of TOS for stepping on their toes and cutting down their parts? Being a star of a show doesn't grant you the right to be a big shot. TOS wasn't even a top rated show and he was still throwing his weight around. If that is in fact true, then it was about an inflated ego.

Frankly if you weren't on the set or good friends of either man, nobody here has the "real story".
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Old April 1 2008, 09:13 PM   #7
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

Ok some of that stuff is interesting but doesn't really explain why Doohan hated him so much more than the others did
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Old April 1 2008, 09:19 PM   #8
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Ok some of that stuff is interesting but doesn't really explain why Doohan hated him so much more than the others did
Because only he can answer that question and unfortunately the man is dead.

Only answers you can get from fans about it, is speculation.
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Old April 1 2008, 09:21 PM   #9
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

Speculation is just fine
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Old April 1 2008, 09:26 PM   #10
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

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Doohan on the other hand refused to have anything to even do with him, turning down money deals just so he wouldn't have to work with Shatner on Futurama and such.
Animation lines can (and usually are) recorded separately. Doohan was on record as turning down "Futurama", IIRC, because he felt it sent up ST too much, and De Kelley had already passed away so it wasn't going to be able to include everyone anyway - but he didn't realise everyone else was fine with the script. But the ailing Doohan was also cutting down on his workload in general.

does anyone know anything personal he did to Jimmy Doohan to earn his hate?
Um... Some people suffer fools differently to others? Some people are more forgiving than others? Some people run out of patience faster? Actors have egos? Shatner was also a prominent no-show at many ST-related events not focused on him, such as the rest of the cast's separate Hollywood Star ceremonies.

Doohan and Shatner always sparkled on camera together and that's all that matters. Haven't you ever had to work with people you didn't get along with?
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Old April 1 2008, 10:00 PM   #11
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

Just another example of Canadian on Canadian hate. When will it stop?!!!!
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Old April 1 2008, 10:02 PM   #12
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Because Shatner had all of his fingers on each hand.
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Old April 1 2008, 10:37 PM   #13
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

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Speculation is just fine
I agree, speculation is fine. How dare we let FACTS get in the way of speculation.
I HAVE met and worked with Shatner. Anyone who has KNOWS why so many people hate him, but I won't bore you again. See my post elsewhere.
On the other hand, Jimmy Doohan was one of the kindest folks I ever met who was connected to Hollywood. He did more charity work than any other cast member, to my knowledge. He was the kind of person who would give you the shirt off his back.
Knowing this, it is easy to see why such opposites would not get along.
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Old April 1 2008, 10:39 PM   #14
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

huh? when did you bore me? I'd love to know what you experienced
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huh? when did you bore me? I'd love to know what you experienced
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.ph...31#post1487231
Above is the original post. I thought it would be too much to just repeat myself.
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