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Old October 13 2013, 05:51 AM   #1
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What's the beef with Chakotay?

Why does there seem to be a beef against Commander Chakotay? I always thought he was a descent character. He wasn't the most dynamic Trek character ever, but certainly not the worst I've seen. What's the main complaints against him?
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Old October 13 2013, 05:56 AM   #2
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The beef is he not a very interesting character. He barely had any personality, he was a Native American stereotype for the first couple of seasons and then they gave him random hobbies that were never mentioned before in effort to make him interesting in the later seasons.


He also supposed to be this bad ass terrorist leader, yet he seems just to cow to Janeway most of the time.
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Old October 13 2013, 05:57 AM   #3
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Some of us have mistaken his mysterious tribal tatt for a fancy face target.

Boredom, really.
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Old October 13 2013, 05:58 AM   #4
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

OR

We tease the ones we love..

Take your pick!
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Old October 13 2013, 06:12 AM   #5
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Some of A, and some of B.
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Old October 13 2013, 06:16 AM   #6
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Then, he becomes Seven's main squeeze.
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Old October 13 2013, 06:22 AM   #7
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA

I CAN'T HEAR YOU
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Old October 13 2013, 06:27 AM   #8
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

A series of words that people use to describe Chakotay:

An Empty Suit
A Poor man's Riker
Native American Stereotype
Janeway's Yes Man
Lucky SOB (for hooking up with 7 of 9)

A list of other names that escape me at the moment. Chakotay as a character is remarkably boring. His shining moment was "Scorpion". He had some Ok moments in "Work Force" and "Shattered" during the tail end of the show, but that's not enough to salvage his wasted potential. Hell, Neelix had more of an arc than Chakotay.
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Old October 13 2013, 06:39 AM   #9
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Beltran's growing unhappiness with the role was sometimes painfully obvious in his performance.
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Old October 13 2013, 06:40 AM   #10
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

And don't forget his nickname.. "Planky"

But now I feel guilty because I have always supported my DEAR FRIENDS the J/C'ers despite not sharing their camp (because it needs more camp.. *cough*) and they will be reading this feeling possibly somewhat pained.

Janeway should sex it with whomever she likes.

IF (see, the generous "if") she wants to frak Chak which could be a great new piece of rhyming slang she should totally go for it and I will stand outside her quarters silently cheering her on even if my fingers are in my ears.

I expect someone will now point out that this is the future and starships are soundproof so the fingers in the ears thing would be unnecessary other than as symbolic protest. However 7 proved otherwise in her quip at B'Elanna about everyone on deck 9 section 12 knowing when Tom and B'Elanna were having relations. Of course, there's some Klingon in that mix so this bit of Voyager shipfail lore may not apply.

I picture Chak doing it very very quietly.
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Old October 13 2013, 07:13 AM   #11
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Old October 13 2013, 07:14 AM   #12
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Chakotay was a rough around the edges character who proved to be very interesting.... for one episode. After Caretaker and before the second episode, Janeway must have had him castrated. He was just her yes-man for seven years after that.

The cliche Native American stereotypes that don't even make sense didn't help either.
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Old October 13 2013, 07:23 AM   #13
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

He really was like her butler. He even kind of looks like a butler
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Old October 13 2013, 07:58 AM   #14
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

Chakotay, like a lot in VOY, never really hit his mark.

He was supposed to be a fearless and bad-ass terrorist leader/freedom fighter, but after he puts on the uniform he just becomes Janeway's whipping boy. The will they/won't they dynamic they had in the first couple of seasons fizzled out to nothing.

As other have said he was had some pretty stereotypical aspects of his heritage shoehorned in unnecessarily, but nothing was every really developed further.

In a situation where they face uncertainty with every day, you need an XO who is dynamic and daring, someone who will follow the Captain's orders in public but will argue with them behind closed doors. Janeway should have been portrayed as a more "cautious" Captain, with Chakotay willing and able to fly off the handle at a moments notice--his time with the Maquis should have made him a little reckless.

As for the whole Chakotay/Seven thing, that came out of nowhere, went nowhere and did nothing for anyone--except leave fans scratching their heads and wonder WTF was that all about?
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Old October 13 2013, 08:59 AM   #15
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

They should have killed Janeway off and let Chakotay take over. Never liked Janeway. And when you look back, Chakotay always made the right decisions but the stubborn bitch always argued with him.
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