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View Poll Results: Who was the Most Heinous Star Trek Villain? (Choose up to 3)
The Sphere Builders 5 6.33%
Parmen 1 1.27%
Khan 25 31.65%
Khan (NuTrek) 10 12.66%
Kang 5 6.33%
General Chang 10 12.66%
Admiral Cartwright 5 6.33%
Armus 13 16.46%
The House of Duras 3 3.80%
Seska 1 1.27%
Soran 5 6.33%
The Borg Queen 26 32.91%
Luther Sloan 6 7.59%
Kai Winn 14 17.72%
Gul Dukat 35 44.30%
The Female Changeling 19 24.05%
Annorax 4 5.06%
Shinzon 6 7.59%
Nero 7 8.86%
Alexander Marcus 3 3.80%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old November 14 2013, 02:52 AM   #46
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Gingham! FTW
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Old November 14 2013, 03:04 AM   #47
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That would have been interesting if Beverly was the woman of Picard's dreams.
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Old November 14 2013, 03:06 AM   #48
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It would've given Crusher more to do than get thrown in the water by data and smile down at Geordi.
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Old November 14 2013, 09:01 PM   #49
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How is Armus beating Soran? You'd have to go to Armus for him to do anything to you. Soran helped destroy the Enterprise D.


Armus is much more heinous than Soran. Soran didn't actually want to hurt anyone he just did it because he thought it was necessary for him to get to the Nexus.


Armus actually ENJOYED hurting people and being evil just because it was fun for him and he was bored and resentful.
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Old November 14 2013, 11:11 PM   #50
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I haven't voted one way or another in the poll, but I've always thought that, if the writers weren't constrained by the limits of censorship, that Armus could very easily have been Star Trek's answer to a Hellraiser movie*. The extremes of mortal vice and evil made manifest would be a horrific walking predator of a nightmare. It's not that far of a stretch to link scorn with pleasure, which is what Armus did.

(*nevermind that Armus and the Hellraiser franchise debuted at roughly the same time, and that one was written by Clive Barker).
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Old November 15 2013, 12:29 AM   #51
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How is Armus beating Soran? You'd have to go to Armus for him to do anything to you. Soran helped destroy the Enterprise D.
Armus is much more heinous than Soran. Soran didn't actually want to hurt anyone he just did it because he thought it was necessary for him to get to the Nexus...
I don't think that makes it OK to destroy a pre-industrial planet (and a M-class planet along with the Enterprise D crew) and give that weapon to the Duras sisters because they helped.

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Old November 15 2013, 08:23 AM   #52
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Fuck it I finally looked up Armus because I couldn't remember who he was. Sticky.
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Old November 15 2013, 04:07 PM   #53
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How is Armus beating Soran? You'd have to go to Armus for him to do anything to you. Soran helped destroy the Enterprise D.
Armus is much more heinous than Soran. Soran didn't actually want to hurt anyone he just did it because he thought it was necessary for him to get to the Nexus...
I don't think that makes it OK to destroy a pre-industrial planet (and a M-class planet along with the Enterprise D crew) and give that weapon to the Duras sisters because they helped.

I wasn't arguing that it was "OK," just pointing out that Armus was more heinous and that his motivations were far worse.
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Old November 15 2013, 04:36 PM   #54
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^I would argue that destroying a planet for selfish reasons was far worse (Soran was responsible for many more deaths due to his decision) but I guess it's apples and oranges, or in this case greed vs wrath.
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Old November 15 2013, 04:40 PM   #55
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Fuck it I finally looked up Armus because I couldn't remember who he was. Sticky.
But he sucked Riker into a tar pit and then regurgitated him, so he's not all bad. Though a bit of a tease being he didn't quite kill off the annoying jerk.
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Old November 15 2013, 04:53 PM   #56
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Fuck it I finally looked up Armus because I couldn't remember who he was. Sticky.
But he sucked Riker into a tar pit and then regurgitated him, so he's not all bad. Though a bit of a tease being he didn't quite kill off the annoying jerk.
He totally killed Tasha.
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Old November 16 2013, 03:35 AM   #57
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I voted Armus because his entire existence is the essence of evil is it not? It is how he was created in the first place which doesn't really paint the evolved race that shed their "evilness" to spawn him in a very good light.
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Old November 16 2013, 05:03 AM   #58
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I voted Armus because his entire existence is the essence of evil is it not? It is how he was created in the first place which doesn't really paint the evolved race that shed their "evilness" to spawn him in a very good light.
Why not? I could see it being very convenient for some self-righteous beings to "shed" their evil into a corporeal entity that will do their dirty work for them, while their hands remain clean.
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Old November 16 2013, 05:42 AM   #59
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. . .I could see it being very convenient for some self-righteous beings to "shed" their evil into a corporeal entity that will do their dirty work for them, while their hands remain clean.
Just like Morbius in Forbidden Planet. And perhaps the Krell.
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Old November 16 2013, 03:56 PM   #60
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I voted Armus because his entire existence is the essence of evil is it not? It is how he was created in the first place which doesn't really paint the evolved race that shed their "evilness" to spawn him in a very good light.
Why not? I could see it being very convenient for some self-righteous beings to "shed" their evil into a corporeal entity that will do their dirty work for them, while their hands remain clean.
Well doesn't it seem a little irresponsible to leave such a malevolent creature around to fuck with other spacefaring cultures?
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