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View Poll Results: Who was the Most Heinous Star Trek Villain? (Choose up to 3)
The Sphere Builders 5 6.33%
Parmen 1 1.27%
Khan 25 31.65%
Khan (NuTrek) 10 12.66%
Kang 5 6.33%
General Chang 10 12.66%
Admiral Cartwright 5 6.33%
Armus 13 16.46%
The House of Duras 3 3.80%
Seska 1 1.27%
Soran 5 6.33%
The Borg Queen 26 32.91%
Luther Sloan 6 7.59%
Kai Winn 14 17.72%
Gul Dukat 35 44.30%
The Female Changeling 19 24.05%
Annorax 4 5.06%
Shinzon 6 7.59%
Nero 7 8.86%
Alexander Marcus 3 3.80%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old November 9 2013, 10:35 PM   #16
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The Borg Queen is trailing behind and Khan and Dukat are neck and neck. I still think Soran should be in the top 3 but I am curious who'll take the lead.
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Old November 10 2013, 12:30 AM   #17
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I voted for..

The Sphere Builders: while not exactly having any charisma their plan was absolutely heinous in that it spread through space and would eventually poison and destroy entire sectors and planets.

The Borg Queen: She makes choices. She is exerts her own ideology upon thousands and thousands of worlds.

Dukat: Insane and insanely dangerous who rose above being a badass fucker in Cardassian administration to playing with literal fire.
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Old November 10 2013, 12:31 AM   #18
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Also, HAHA Shinzon has 0.
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Old November 10 2013, 11:12 AM   #19
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^I knew Shinzon would get a vote before Parmen. Parmen's a spoiled brat.
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Old November 10 2013, 01:33 PM   #20
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Re: The Most Heinous Star Trek Villain

I've watched every episode of Star Trek and have no idea who Parmen is...
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Old November 10 2013, 01:57 PM   #21
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I've watched every episode of Star Trek and have no idea who Parmen is...
The baddie from "Plato's Stepchildren" .
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Old November 10 2013, 02:16 PM   #22
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I've watched every episode of Star Trek and have no idea who Parmen is...
The baddie from "Plato's Stepchildren" .
Do I need to turn in my TOS fan card now?
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Old November 10 2013, 02:49 PM   #23
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I've watched every episode of Star Trek and have no idea who Parmen is...
The baddie from "Plato's Stepchildren" .
Do I need to turn in my TOS fan card now?
Yes, please.

Seriously, some of these characters in he "most heinous" list propagate and follow ideologies on behalf of their kind. I can't condemn this as truly "heinous" although it is obviously at the expense of others.

Parmen and company however strike me like kids who enjoy to tear of wings and legs of insects just for the sadistic fun of it. If that isn't "heinous" I don't know what is.

For me Soran comes in second place. Just to get back into the virtual reality of the Nexus he is willing to sacrifice millions. What a jerk!

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Old November 10 2013, 03:44 PM   #24
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^I can agree with that.

Looks like Dukat's taking the lead. That just leaves Seska and Alexander Marcus at 0, the confused and the despicable (respectively).
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Old November 12 2013, 12:23 AM   #25
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I would say Q he messed with your mind but he was funny.
The Borg because they wanted to take away the our humanity.
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Old November 12 2013, 01:27 PM   #26
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The Borg because they wanted to take away the our humanity.
This is along the lines what I tried to express earlier. The Borg never "wanted" to take away our humanity (that would have only been the inevitable outcome of the assimiliation).

I remember reading or hearing that the Borg actually had the best of intentions (from their point of view) and were certain that they were actually improving the living conditions of every one they assimilated (okay, at least before the "arrival" of the Queen Bee and the alteration of the original Borg premise).

Just shows again that good intentions don't necesarily yield a good outcome.

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Anyone willing to put their name on Seska being the most heinous Star Trek villain or will she be forever at zero?
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Old November 12 2013, 04:54 PM   #28
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My first pick would have been Kivas Fajo -- am I going to cause angst by asking "why no Kivas Fajo"? His is a much more personal, intimate heinousness and in some ways more creepy and effective because of that; he's no world-destroying super-baddie, just a greedy, petty, pretentious sociopath, and he's all the more memorable for that.
Saul Rubinek was awesome in that role.
Agreed. I'm a big Rubinek fan
LOL, I remember that, as a kid, I absolutely hating Saul Rubinek precisely because of how well he played that role. It got to the point where anytime I saw him in anything else, I'd instantly associate him with Kivas Fajo and then instantly dislike whatever character that Rubinek would be playing, no matter how "good" they were. It's ironic that, at the time, I hated his character in "Unforgiven!"

Of course, a couple years later I learned how to separate the actor from the charactor, but to make an indelible impression on the audience is a very real skill.
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Old November 12 2013, 05:19 PM   #29
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Nero from Star Trek XI

Gul Madred from "Chain of Command"

Dr. Phlox from "Dear Doctor"
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Old November 12 2013, 05:47 PM   #30
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^Dr. Phlox I get, but Gul Madred get's your vote for most heinous? I'd give him most insidious if anything.
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