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Old November 7 2013, 05:02 PM   #16
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Re: Things you got "wrong"

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When I was very, very little I thought the bridge took up the entire saucer.
So did I.
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Old November 7 2013, 05:10 PM   #17
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I worried about a fly getting into the tranporter room . . . .
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Old November 7 2013, 05:37 PM   #18
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I always had trouble figuring out where the TOS Main Engineering set was supposed to be located. It always felt to me like it should have been down in the secondary hull near the hangar deck. But onscreen evidence and the stage blueprints in The Making of Star Trek showed it off a circular corridor suggesting the saucer section.

I also thought the soundstage had those sets up all the time as depicted in those TMOST blueprints. It didn't occur to me that they'd be dismantled to make room for different sets in an episode.

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I worried about a fly getting into the tranporter room . . . .
When I first saw David Hedison on Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, I figured he must have gotten better.
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Old November 7 2013, 06:21 PM   #19
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Re: Things you got "wrong"

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For me, it was the idea that the main viewscreen of the original Enterprise bridge was aligned with the forward axis of the ship,
It is.
Not.
when it really was 30-degrees or so offside (the turbolift is aligned with the forward axis instead).
It isn't.
It sure appears that it is.
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/ships...1701bridge.gif
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Old November 7 2013, 06:29 PM   #20
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when it really was 30-degrees or so offside (the turbolift is aligned with the forward axis instead).
It isn't.
It sure appears that it is.
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/ships...1701bridge.gif
You can't use that pic as evidence, they drew ALL the bridges in a skewed orientation.

Personally, I believe that the bridge faces forward, and the model has a detail error.

You ask any average person (not us hardcore Trekkies) which way the bridge faces, and they'll likely wonder why that's even a question.
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Old November 7 2013, 06:31 PM   #21
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When I first heard the word "phaser," I thought it was spelled "fazer" because the weapon had a stun setting -- it could be set to just "faze" a person rather than kill them. That was in spite of the fact that "faze" is always used negatively (as in "it didn't even faze him").

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I always thought that the phasers fired out of the big glowy dome on the bottom of the primary hull.
So did I. It seemed a logical place to put them.

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When I was very, very little I thought the bridge took up the entire saucer.
That would have made the Enterprise a really tiny ship!

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You ask any average person (not us hardcore Trekkies) which way the bridge faces, and they'll likely wonder why that's even a question.
That's because they're not hardcore Trekkies!
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Old November 7 2013, 06:36 PM   #22
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My first big error was the name of the show in the TAS era, which, before I could read, I thought was "Star Track." So did everybody my age, though.

Later, I thought photon torpedoes were some kind of projected blobs of exploding energy with no material "body." When I saw TWOK I didn't realize the things they were loading onto that track were supposed to be the photon torpedoes.
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Old November 7 2013, 07:05 PM   #23
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It isn't.
It sure appears that it is.
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/ships...1701bridge.gif
You can't use that pic as evidence, they drew ALL the bridges in a skewed orientation.
This doesn't appear so. The turbolift was always to the left side of the captain's chair. It's the same here.
Personally, I believe that the bridge faces forward, and the model has a detail error.
It's the other way around. The turbolift shaft cap has always been a cylindrical structure directly behind the bridge module, not to the side of it (it's actually like that for NX-01 Enterprise).
You ask any average person (not us hardcore Trekkies) which way the bridge faces, and they'll likely wonder why that's even a question.
Then you have to educate them that what they've believed was wrong.
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Old November 7 2013, 09:19 PM   #24
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For me, it was the idea that the main viewscreen of the original Enterprise bridge was aligned with the forward axis of the ship,
It is.
Not.
when it really was 30-degrees or so offside (the turbolift is aligned with the forward axis instead).
It isn't.
It sure appears that it is.
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/ships...1701bridge.gif
That the production crew decided the elevator doors looked better one wedge segment to port, and rearranged the set to accommodate better camera angles, has no bearing on the original intent of the design, and basic human design logic.

It's easy enough to imagine the external cylinder as the vertical shaft, but that the car jogs forward and to port to meet the doors, while an auxiliary car is stationed to starboard for those "no waiting for the elevator" moments.

the 36° offset is a figment of Franz Joseph's rationalizations for the 1975 technical manual, not evidenced anywhere in the actual show.
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Old November 7 2013, 09:53 PM   #25
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It is.
Not.
It isn't.
It sure appears that it is.
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/ships...1701bridge.gif
That the production crew decided the elevator doors looked better one wedge segment to port, and rearranged the set to accommodate better camera angles, has no bearing on the original intent of the design, and basic human design logic.
Not being an actual window like those aboard oceangoing vessels, the main viewscreen can be placed anywhere on the bridge like any monitor. In the end, the viewscreen is really just a big monitor and will show images from various angles around the ship.
It's easy enough to imagine the external cylinder as the vertical shaft, but that the car jogs forward and to port to meet the doors, while an auxiliary car is stationed to starboard for those "no waiting for the elevator" moments.
Not sure what you mean by this.
the 36° offset is a figment of Franz Joseph's rationalizations for the 1975 technical manual, not evidenced anywhere in the actual show.
But it does fit the actual show and the only reason to assume otherwise is to fit a notion that the viewscreen is like a glass window and absolutely has to be aligned along the ship's centerline.
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Old November 7 2013, 10:30 PM   #26
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On screen (canon) evidence would support the idea that the cylinder behind the bridge dome is NOT the tubolift.

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...thecage011.jpg
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Old November 7 2013, 11:30 PM   #27
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Not sure what you mean by this.


Turbolift car comes up thru the shaft, shifts forward and to port to the doors. When a person uses it, the car shifts back to the vertical shaft and drops, and the standby car immediately over to take its place at the bridge doors.
This is Ziz's concept from many years ago, which made a light bulb go off over my head. It makes a ton more sense than the bridge being the only control center on any vehicle in history that doesn't face front.
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Old November 7 2013, 11:32 PM   #28
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And we probably shouldn't let this thread devolve into yet another bridge angle fight.
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Old November 8 2013, 12:28 AM   #29
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Not sure what you mean by this.


Turbolift car comes up thru the shaft, shifts forward and to port to the doors. When a person uses it, the car shifts back to the vertical shaft and drops, and the standby car immediately over to take its place at the bridge doors.
This is Ziz's concept from many years ago, which made a light bulb go off over my head. It makes a ton more sense than the bridge being the only control center on any vehicle in history that doesn't face front.
The problem with that is that it doesn't fit into a 947-foot USS Enterprise. And of course, with the viewscreen not being a window (in the prime reality, at least), there's no need for it to face forward. Click!
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Old November 8 2013, 02:43 AM   #30
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On screen (canon) evidence would support the idea that the cylinder behind the bridge dome is NOT the tubolift.

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...thecage011.jpg
Actually, if you look closely at that image you'll see the viewscreen isn't facing the ship's centerline there either.

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Not sure what you mean by this.


Turbolift car comes up thru the shaft, shifts forward and to port to the doors. When a person uses it, the car shifts back to the vertical shaft and drops, and the standby car immediately over to take its place at the bridge doors.
This is Ziz's concept from many years ago, which made a light bulb go off over my head. It makes a ton more sense than the bridge being the only control center on any vehicle in history that doesn't face front.
That's an interesting idea. But as far as it making "more sense" for the control center to face front, that only really applies to a vehicle that needs an actual front-facing window for manual flight. The main viewscreen truthfully eliminates this need and thus can be placed anywhere on a bridge.

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And we probably shouldn't let this thread devolve into yet another bridge angle fight.
Agreed.
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Turbolift car comes up thru the shaft, shifts forward and to port to the doors. When a person uses it, the car shifts back to the vertical shaft and drops, and the standby car immediately over to take its place at the bridge doors.
This is Ziz's concept from many years ago, which made a light bulb go off over my head. It makes a ton more sense than the bridge being the only control center on any vehicle in history that doesn't face front.
The problem with that is that it doesn't fit into a 947-foot USS Enterprise. And of course, with the viewscreen not being a window (in the prime reality, at least), there's no need for it to face forward. Click!
There is that to consider...
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