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Old December 8 2013, 08:40 PM   #856
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

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Yet people still wonder why it might have been a good idea to have a white guy play Khan this time around...
Because when people come out of a Star Trek movie they immediately start beating up people of the same race as the villain?
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Old December 8 2013, 10:53 PM   #857
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But is his ethnic heritage, his skin tone, critical to the story?
No, absolutely not. If it were, they would've been consistent about it in Space Seed to start with.
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Old December 9 2013, 12:07 AM   #858
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His skin tone's consistent enough in Space Seed.
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Old December 9 2013, 11:11 AM   #859
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But he's called a Sikh while he definitely isn't. We've been through this before.
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Old December 9 2013, 11:16 AM   #860
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His skin tone's consistent enough in Space Seed.
As it is through WoK and ID. It's when you try to add them all together that there are problems.
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Old December 9 2013, 12:06 PM   #861
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Because when people come out of a Star Trek movie they immediately start beating up people of the same race as the villain?
And yet, if JJ Abrams' movie featured a swarthy villain as a terrorist bringing down skyscrapers you can bet your life there'd be outcry.
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Old December 9 2013, 05:03 PM   #862
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Are you referring to Naveen Andrews' character?
No, but at one point he has to infiltrate a terrorist cell, and it's not made up of British people.

Really, I think if they were so worried about someone with dark skin crashing a plane into buildings, then they shouldn't have done that. As if there wasn't enough that was callous about those scenes already, it really didn't do anything for the story, but was only there for spectacle.
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Old December 9 2013, 05:43 PM   #863
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But he's called a Sikh while he definitely isn't.
Enough for you to know that this is a nonsensical thing to say. In fact we covered that in this very thread.
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Old December 9 2013, 05:59 PM   #864
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Are you referring to Naveen Andrews' character?
No, but at one point he has to infiltrate a terrorist cell, and it's not made up of British people.

Really, I think if they were so worried about someone with dark skin crashing a plane into buildings, then they shouldn't have done that. As if there wasn't enough that was callous about those scenes already, it really didn't do anything for the story, but was only there for spectacle.
I have to agree that the starship crashing like that didn't really add much to the story except to give nuKhan a way to escape into the city. A few blocks away, it was business as usual - from the way everyone carried on like normal, you'd think a starship hadn't just crashed and caused a great deal of destruction to property and harmed a lot of people.

I wasn't in New York on September 11, but from what I saw on the news and read later, it definitely wasn't "business as usual" just a few blocks away from the towers, was it?
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Old December 10 2013, 11:27 AM   #865
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But he's called a Sikh while he definitely isn't.
Enough for you to know that this is a nonsensical thing to say. In fact we covered that in this very thread.
Yeah we have, that's why I said it: he wasn't a Sikh at all, and the brownface was a mistake. The next time we see him, he doesn't have it, and no mention is made of his heritage.
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Old December 10 2013, 02:53 PM   #866
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Yeah we have, that's why I said it: he wasn't a Sikh at all, and the brownface was a mistake. The next time we see him, he doesn't have it, and no mention is made of his heritage.
Can't we just say that using Khan like they did in STID was a mistake? Of all the issues on using Khan into STID, his ethnicity was not one of them. What about Khan's purpose that was specifically stated to murder anyone he deems less than superior? When was the original Khan ever told to be like that? Or killing every last one of the crew without hesitation when he not only didn't kill anyone in Space Seed, he did something WORSE than hesitate when he set out to kill Kirk?

Everyone who wrote STID thought Khan to be "The Joker" i.e. The ultimate bad guy, and stuck with it to a T. No mention of his non-aggressive rule, his ambitions to build his own empire or any sign of his charismatic side. The very nature of Space Seed's ending was Kirk and Spock wondering what kind of a world Khan and his followers would build since now they're free to do whatever they want without "lesser" humans to overthrow them?

Still, two out of three ain't bad. I just wish it wasn't the one who told fans to "**** off".
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Old December 10 2013, 04:06 PM   #867
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Still, two out of three ain't bad. I just wish it wasn't the one who told fans to "**** off".
Well someone had to...
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Old December 10 2013, 04:42 PM   #868
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Yeah we have, that's why I said it: he wasn't a Sikh at all
Did you... read the discussion earlier in this thread? Are you sure you mightn't benefit from giving it another quick look-see?
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Old December 10 2013, 05:20 PM   #869
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Still, two out of three ain't bad. I just wish it wasn't the one who told fans to "**** off".
Well someone had to...
Amen. I have no problems with Orci telling the ones who take this stuff way too seriously to fuck off.
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Old December 10 2013, 05:24 PM   #870
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Amen. I have no problems with Orci telling the ones who take this stuff way too seriously to fuck off.
I've read the thread where it happened, he was actually way overreacting to a mild and constructive article; it was a low and unprofessional moment for him. But it can be put down to a moment of pique. People holding on to it and forever remembering Orci as "the man who told the fans to f*** off" really shouldn't be.
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