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Old November 17 2013, 09:26 PM   #526
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

I'm more of a fan of season four of Enterprise and loved the Space Nazi.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:27 PM   #527
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"Pointy".
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Old November 17 2013, 09:28 PM   #528
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"Pointy".
You are joking?
McCoy's TOS jabs pale in comparison.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:30 PM   #529
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I'm more of a fan of season four of Enterprise and loved the Space Nazi.
It felt too much like an "Endgame"-rehash to me.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:34 PM   #530
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I'm more of a fan of season four of Enterprise and loved the Space Nazi.
It felt too much like an "Endgame"-rehash to me.
For me it was a signal that maybe they were going to try to reintroduce some fun to the franchise.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:55 PM   #531
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"Pointy".
You are joking?
No, I'm not. It's pretty douchey of Kirk to refer to Spock in a derogatory term, which Spock himself even brings up. It's something expected from McCoy, cause he's usually irritable and will use it in good humor just to tease Spock. From Kirk? It's bits like this that kind of undermines the idea that they're supposed to be friends. Kirk just saved his life by breaking the rules. Maybe it's because he's younger and more brash, but I just don't like hearing such filth from Kirk's mouth.

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I'm more of a fan of season four of Enterprise and loved the Space Nazi.
It felt too much like an "Endgame"-rehash to me.
For me it was a signal that maybe they were going to try to reintroduce some fun to the franchise.
Yup. It was nice to see the fourth season get loose and it was kind of needed after the heavy Xindi arc. I always said that's what ENT should have been from the start. Some call it fan wank, I say it's just having fun with the prequel concept, certainly a lot more fun than what we got in the first two seasons. It's also true to Roddenberry's optimism, where humans play a role where they help unite species that have been bitter towards each other like the Vulcans and Andorians.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:05 PM   #532
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JJ's films have just as many wonderful character moments as any other Trek.
.... or Kirk's xenophobic language he uses openly around Spock.


Explain.
The one or two comic instances of Spock being insulted for being alien that paled in comparison to the vulgar and deeply insubordinate treatment he received in TOS's apparently more "enlightened" writing.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:18 PM   #533
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the vulgar and deeply insubordinate treatment he received in TOS's apparently more "enlightened" writing.
McCoy's friendly rivalry with Spock sometimes skirted the bounds of propriety, although Spock gave as good as he got.

TOS however did not in fact feature Kirk employing racial slurs around Spock in the normal run of things (save the "dog-faced boy" tirade in... whatever the episode with the spores was, which was a specific tactic to free him from their influence). When Spock did encounter truly vulgar and insubordinate treatment in TOS it was usually a specific plot point and the crewmen involved were antagonists (Boma in Galileo 7, whathisface in Balance of Terror).

Which is to say, can we not go playing "let's throw TOS under the bus" for the umpteenth time this week? Yeah. That'd be great.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:54 PM   #534
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But it's a vintage bus so.. context!
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Old November 17 2013, 10:56 PM   #535
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Which is to say, can we not go playing "let's throw TOS under the bus" for the umpteenth time this week? Yeah. That'd be great.
Reminds me of the time when the Star Wars prequels came out that a lot of fans often defended the flaws of those films by claiming that the original trilogy was just as flawed, if not worse than the prequels.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:58 PM   #536
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For some reason I just googled the phrase "hit by a bus." Why did I do that? I should not have done that.

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Reminds me of the time when the Star Wars prequels came out that a lot of fans often defended the flaws of those films by claiming that the original trilogy was just as flawed, if not worse than the prequels.
Yeah, I remember seeing some of that. (Not that nuTrek is SW-prequels-level bad.)
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JJ's films have just as many wonderful character moments as any other Trek.
I wouldn't classify Uhura's whining about her relationship with Spock to be wonderful, or Kirk's xenophobic language he uses openly around Spock.
Why does Uhura get a lot of slack for whining about her relationship? How is it whining to be worried about a loved one?

I do admit that the writing in STiD is not great. A perfect example is the Spock and Uhura conversation on their way to a dangerous mission.

Uhura was dong the right thing at the wrong time by talking about their relationship at that particular moment.

This is one of the reasons why I do not want Orci and his friends to return. Orci could stay but his friends are not just good writers. You don't throw in a romantic talk when you are going on a dangerous mission. You have the talk nice, quiet and private. A good screen writer would have known this. Orci and his friends don't.

Kirk is just as bad as Uhura. He basically screams at Spock for not knowing how to be a friend. Kirk is also far worse than Uhura in terms of given Spock attitude. This is the reason why Spock throws him out of the Enterprise in the first film. Kirk and Spock have been clashing since the first film up until the end. Uhura and Spock have only clashed once and she is called a whiner and even a bitch. That is so not fair.


I see NUTrek as follows. Kirk and Spock are the main leads. Bones is Kirk's henchman and Uhura is Spock's henchwomen or should I say they are both their biggest cheerleaders.

Uhura and Bones have both called Kirk and Spock out on their bs but yet, they have maintained absolute loyalty to Kirk and Spock.

Like Bones helping Kirk out in the first film by getting him on the Enterprise and Uhura not breaking up with Spock after he attempts murder although she is horrified of his actions. She also helps him take down Khan even though she thinks he is putting his life in danger and would never have approved of it. However she still came through for him in the end and she is called a whiner?

I am not loving the double standard here guys.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:03 PM   #538
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(Not that nuTrek is SW-prequels-level bad.)
Of course.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:08 PM   #539
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When Spock did encounter truly vulgar and insubordinate treatment in TOS it was usually a specific plot point and the crewmen involved were antagonists (Boma in Galileo 7,).
Yeah it wasn't just Boma there McCoy seemed to be outright questioning Spock's competence most of the episode.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:10 PM   #540
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(Not that nuTrek is SW-prequels-level bad.)
Of course.
No far from it. Star Trek 2009 is a very brilliant and excellent film. I will put it as high as the original trilogy mainly episode 4 and 5. It also had better acting than all the 6 star wars films.

Star Trek Into Darkness is like episode 6 or episode 3. Not bad but not great.

Star Trek 2009 and Wrath of Khan are the best Trek films and are equivalent to what Episode 4 and 5 are in the Star Wars fandom.
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