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Old November 17 2013, 06:07 PM   #511
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I don't want serious drama, I want fun adventures in space. That's what Star Trek does best, IMHO.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:33 PM   #512
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I don't want serious drama, I want fun adventures in space. That's what Star Trek does best, IMHO.
Yeppers.

Take TMP: It's a "serious" sci-fi movie. It's also routinely ranked lower in the fan polls and blasted as the "Slow Motion Picture".

STII: Ranks high, if not often the highest. It's a naval battle, "action", movie in space.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:40 PM   #513
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"Serious" has different meanings, not only to different people, but also depending upon the context.

I suspect that most fans would agree that The City on the Edge of Forever is, overall, quite serious. It's my second-favorite episode ever, but I wouldn't want that level of intensity every week.

Many episodes have scenes with a serious tone, that convey universal messages about the human condition, even if the episode wasn't completely highbrow. I'll reel off a few examples: Court Martial, Where No Man Has Gone Before, Arena, A Private Little War, The Doomsday Machine, The Ultimate Computer, to name a few.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that TOS generally managed to strike a balance between serious and fun without getting too serious.
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Old November 17 2013, 07:41 PM   #514
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STII: Ranks high, if not often the highest. It's a naval battle, "action", movie in space.
But does the "navel battle action" represent a good chunk of the film like the action does in the JJ Abrams films. I don't think so. For all the talk of Star Trek II being a certified action film, there's really not a whole lot of action in it when compared to other films that are about action. The surprise attack from the reliant and the battle in the Mutara Nebula are pretty much the only action pieces in the film. There's a ton of character moments with lots of dialogue, something that JJ's films seems to rush through or only cover the minimum amount in order to get the idea across.
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Old November 17 2013, 08:40 PM   #515
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
I don't want serious drama, I want fun adventures in space. That's what Star Trek does best, IMHO.
I agree.

All I have to do is walk outside my door or turn on the news if I want serious drama.
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Old November 17 2013, 08:46 PM   #516
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Sadly Paramount has the last words and the words are bigger than life heroes aka the quantity. That is were the money is. The money is not in serious drama but the sad truth is, the serious drama is where you can find a better and a more quality film.
Paramount hasn't had anything legally to do with Trek in years.
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Old November 17 2013, 08:46 PM   #517
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STII: Ranks high, if not often the highest. It's a naval battle, "action", movie in space.
But does the "navel battle action" represent a good chunk of the film like the action does in the JJ Abrams films. I don't think so. For all the talk of Star Trek II being a certified action film, there's really not a whole lot of action in it when compared to other films that are about action. The surprise attack from the reliant and the battle in the Mutara Nebula are pretty much the only action pieces in the film. There's a ton of character moments with lots of dialogue, something that JJ's films seems to rush through or only cover the minimum amount in order to get the idea across.
By early 1980s standard it is a certified action film.
It opens with a battle, has a confrontation in the middle and climaxes with a battle.
Dialogue-scenes, expository and character-driven alike, are a lot slower than they would be were the film made today.
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Old November 17 2013, 08:57 PM   #518
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There's a ton of character moments with lots of dialogue, something that JJ's films seems to rush through or only cover the minimum amount in order to get the idea across.
Were you asleep?

JJ's films have just as many wonderful character moments as any other Trek. And, thankfully, much less mindnumbing technobabble than "Voyager" or "Enterprise", which seemed to think had become compulsory.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:04 PM   #519
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
I don't want serious drama, I want fun adventures in space. That's what Star Trek does best, IMHO.
So you should be really happy that Damon Lindelof is gone, since he's the one who advocated that Earth should be the stomping ground in their Star Trek movies.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:14 PM   #520
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JJ's films have just as many wonderful character moments as any other Trek.
I wouldn't classify Uhura's whining about her relationship with Spock to be wonderful, or Kirk's xenophobic language he uses openly around Spock.
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JJ's films have just as many wonderful character moments as any other Trek.
I wouldn't classify Uhura's whining about her relationship with Spock to be wonderful, or Kirk's xenophobic language he uses openly around Spock.
It's a serious shame there isn't like seven-hundred other hours of Trek available to watch to scratch your itch.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:19 PM   #522
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There's a ton of character moments with lots of dialogue, something that JJ's films seems to rush through or only cover the minimum amount in order to get the idea across.
Were you asleep?

JJ's films have just as many wonderful character moments as any other Trek. And, thankfully, much less mindnumbing technobabble than "Voyager" or "Enterprise", which seemed to think had become compulsory.
ENT really did not have that much technobabble, which was one of the things Braga wanted to get rid of from the very start as it had been such a cliche in VOY. It did have more character, though the first two seasons did it horribly. I'll take the character moments and development from the third and fourth seasons over the awful stuff in nuTrek.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:21 PM   #523
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JJ's films have just as many wonderful character moments as any other Trek.
.... or Kirk's xenophobic language he uses openly around Spock.


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Old November 17 2013, 09:21 PM   #524
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"Pointy".
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Old November 17 2013, 09:25 PM   #525
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There's a ton of character moments with lots of dialogue, something that JJ's films seems to rush through or only cover the minimum amount in order to get the idea across.
Were you asleep?

JJ's films have just as many wonderful character moments as any other Trek. And, thankfully, much less mindnumbing technobabble than "Voyager" or "Enterprise", which seemed to think had become compulsory.
ENT really did not have that much technobabble, which was one of the things Braga wanted to get rid of from the very start as it had been such a cliche in VOY. It did have more character, though the first two seasons did it horribly. I'll take the character moments and development from the third and fourth seasons over the awful stuff in nuTrek.
So you want action-driven war stories and extreme fan-wank?

I liked season three of Enterprise best. The show lost a lot of points with me when those Nazi-Aliens appeared on screen. Season four was fodder for the fans.
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