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Old November 17 2013, 05:40 AM   #496
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Is it really any worse than Neelix and his holographic lungs?
Yes, They switched out the holographic lungs for a single lung from an alien with a seven-year life span. While they were training her to be the only nurse on a 70-year journey.
Yet some folks continue to scream about gaps in the plot of the Abrams films.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:17 AM   #497
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JANEWAY: HA! We made in seven years!!

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So? That would be in keeping with her 9-year lifespan.

Have people forgotten that Tom was in medical training as well, and assisted the Doctor on occasion?
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Old November 17 2013, 06:43 AM   #498
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Have people forgotten that Tom was in medical training as well, and assisted the Doctor on occasion?
Not forgotten at all. Tom was already a trained Medic, who got called away from his job at the Helm during too many emergencies. Kes was encouraged to train as a nurse because Tom was too invaluable to keep losing from the bridge.

But how dumb to train just one (alien) nurse, who was unlikely to be there for 63 years of their estimated return journey.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:45 AM   #499
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Have people forgotten that Tom was in medical training as well, and assisted the Doctor on occasion?
Not forgotten at all. Tom was already a trained Medic, who got called away from his job at the Helm during too many emergencies. Kes was encouraged to train as a nurse because Tom was too invaluable to keep losing from the bridge.

But how dumb to train just one (alien) nurse, who was unlikely to be there for 63 years of their estimated return journey.

You'd think at the least the entire crew should be required to take some sort of medic-training, and the pull a half dozen or so into being nurses. And we never did hear of anyone putting forth the ideal of having someone actually training towards being a full doctor.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:56 AM   #500
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Have people forgotten that Tom was in medical training as well, and assisted the Doctor on occasion?
Not forgotten at all. Tom was already a trained Medic, who got called away from his job at the Helm during too many emergencies. Kes was encouraged to train as a nurse because Tom was too invaluable to keep losing from the bridge.

But how dumb to train just one (alien) nurse, who was unlikely to be there for 63 years of their estimated return journey.
True. I got the impression that there were more engineers than they really needed and not enough balance elsewhere. One of the first things Janeway should have done (after they got the Maquis-as-crew situation sorted out) was institute a cross-training program.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:39 AM   #501
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So we're in agreement that both VOY and nuTrek are shit, glad we got that covered.

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Old November 17 2013, 09:57 AM   #502
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Kes was a very quick learner. Much quicker than humans. It made sense to crash course her, she could then train other people and be ready to deal with emergencies herself a lot sooner than a human would have.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:04 AM   #503
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So we're in agreement that both VOY and nuTrek are shit, glad we got that covered.

I will concede that some parts of Voyager were shit. They had some really bad or senseless episodes and poorly-thought out concepts. However, the same can be said of all the Trek TV series.

So far all I've found to like about nuTrek was one of nuSpock's lines (I've mentioned this previously).
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Old November 17 2013, 11:09 AM   #504
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I found VOY to be consistently subpar, with only a handful of really good episodes.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:11 AM   #505
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IT WAS ALL WONDERFUL
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Old November 17 2013, 11:15 AM   #506
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I'm sure Janeways lapdog said that everyday. Sorry, I meant Chakotay.
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Old November 17 2013, 01:23 PM   #507
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And what if he did? Don't we all dream of such a companion?

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Old November 17 2013, 03:35 PM   #508
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So? That would be in keeping with her 9-year lifespan.

Have people forgotten that Tom was in medical training as well, and assisted the Doctor on occasion?
Yeah, that's the joke. She'll be dead by the end of the series.
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Yeah, that's the joke. She'll be dead by the end of the series.
I got it.
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Old November 17 2013, 05:28 PM   #510
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I'd say they're Star Trek done as comic book movies (with a fair amount of Star Wars under the chassis -- themes of destiny, culminating medal scenes, STID even gives us a Millennium Falcon-style shuttle chase on the surface of Kronos). Trek always had its share of pulp, but the gestalt of nuTrek is more purely pulp than it's ever been.

Pure pulp can of course be plenty entertaining... which is why even the worst Star Wars has always made money. It only irritates me to the extent it does in the context of Trek because whatever heights Trek climbed or depths it sank to in days of yore, it was a vessel for a more diverse kind of storytelling than that. I think that's the core difference some people feel between nuTrek and its predecessors. Certainly it's the core difference for me.
Thing is... Roddenberry admittedly lifted plenty from pulp science fiction magazines of the 50' and early-60's.

I wonder if some of the divide over the Abrams films could simply come down to folks who like serious drama played straight vs. folks who like to have a fun time with bigger than life heroes?

Exactly. Sadly Paramount has the last words and the words are bigger than life heroes aka the quantity. That is were the money is. The money is not in serious drama but the sad truth is, the serious drama is where you can find a better and a more quality film.

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