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Old November 16 2013, 02:13 AM   #421
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What's whit all of the Next Generation hate? The show still has a lot of fans, and many ladies still love both Crusher and Troi.
It's not hate, just a fact. Crusher and Troi did little of note in the TNG films and Troi was mostly useless during the series run.
First Contact *grrrrr* Lily's role could have been handed off to Crusher. Take the Briefing Room scene, now have Crusher making the same arguments as Lily and Picard flipping out on Beverly...that's a better scene.

Insurrection: Have Crusher siding with the Son'a. She's a Doctor in a bloody war and here's a race handing her the tools to save billions of lives? Fuck the Baku.
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Old November 16 2013, 02:36 AM   #422
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Insurrection: Have Crusher siding with the Son'a. She's a Doctor in a bloody war and here's a race handing her the tools to save billions of lives? Fuck the Baku.

I know that the Baku are reviled universally for being too all-white and cute for words, but fucking them over for the S'ona and the long-life thing? That's cold.

Plus, the war in question was over before the movie began.
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Old November 16 2013, 02:43 AM   #423
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Insurrection: Have Crusher siding with the Son'a. She's a Doctor in a bloody war and here's a race handing her the tools to save billions of lives? Fuck the Baku.

I know that the Baku are reviled universally for being too all-white and cute for words, but fucking them over for the S'ona and the long-life thing? That's cold.

Plus, the war in question was over before the movie began.
Actually, most people place Insurrection somewhere in the middle of DS9 season seven.

Plus, the movie would've been more interesting if there had been some divide among the crew.
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Old November 16 2013, 02:51 AM   #424
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SeerSGB wrote: View Post
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What's whit all of the Next Generation hate? The show still has a lot of fans, and many ladies still love both Crusher and Troi.
It's not hate, just a fact. Crusher and Troi did little of note in the TNG films and Troi was mostly useless during the series run.
First Contact *grrrrr* Lily's role could have been handed off to Crusher. Take the Briefing Room scene, now have Crusher making the same arguments as Lily and Picard flipping out on Beverly...that's a better scene.
And there by lose the interesting thing about the scene being a mid 21st century post WWIII person calling the oh so evolved better 24th century captain out on his hypocrisy.
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Old November 16 2013, 02:54 AM   #425
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Insurrection: Have Crusher siding with the Son'a. She's a Doctor in a bloody war and here's a race handing her the tools to save billions of lives? Fuck the Baku.

I know that the Baku are reviled universally for being too all-white and cute for words, but fucking them over for the S'ona and the long-life thing? That's cold.

Plus, the war in question was over before the movie began.
* Isn't just long life, it's a vitality needed medical technology that could cure billions.

* Dominion War ended in 2375 and Insurrection is in 2375. This was the tail end of a war that had seen Federation worlds attacked (including Earth) in some cases invaded (Betazed), thousands (millions?) of lives lost, who knows many more wounded soldiers and civilian casualties, and dozens of worlds facing rebuilding efforts...yeah, fuck the Baku.

The Baku were not native to the planet or the patch, and immortality of the rings was a lucky accident for them. Fuck 'em.
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It's not hate, just a fact.
Hold on to that feeling, brother. Cherish it, get acquainted with it, inhabit it, love it.

You now understand Abramstrek "haters" from within. It's almost like being a Betazoid. You're welcome.
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Old November 16 2013, 03:57 AM   #427
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Insurrection: Have Crusher siding with the Son'a. She's a Doctor in a bloody war and here's a race handing her the tools to save billions of lives? Fuck the Baku.

I know that the Baku are reviled universally for being too all-white and cute for words, but fucking them over for the S'ona and the long-life thing? That's cold.

Plus, the war in question was over before the movie began.
* Isn't just long life, it's a vitality needed medical technology that could cure billions.

* Dominion War ended in 2375 and Insurrection is in 2375. This was the tail end of a war that had seen Federation worlds attacked (including Earth) in some cases invaded (Betazed), thousands (millions?) of lives lost, who knows many more wounded soldiers and civilian casualties, and dozens of worlds facing rebuilding efforts...yeah, fuck the Baku.
Wasn't the federation basically winning the war at that point?

The Baku were not native to the planet or the patch, and immortality of the rings was a lucky accident for them. Fuck 'em.
They still have a better claim to it then a government that didn't even exist when the colonized it.
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Old November 16 2013, 04:03 AM   #428
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I know that the Baku are reviled universally for being too all-white and cute for words, but fucking them over for the S'ona and the long-life thing? That's cold.

Plus, the war in question was over before the movie began.
* Isn't just long life, it's a vitality needed medical technology that could cure billions.

* Dominion War ended in 2375 and Insurrection is in 2375. This was the tail end of a war that had seen Federation worlds attacked (including Earth) in some cases invaded (Betazed), thousands (millions?) of lives lost, who knows many more wounded soldiers and civilian casualties, and dozens of worlds facing rebuilding efforts...yeah, fuck the Baku.
Wasn't the federation basically winning the war at that point?

The Baku were not native to the planet or the patch, and immortality of the rings was a lucky accident for them. Fuck 'em.
They still have a better claim to it then a government that didn't even exist when the colonized it.
Depends on where Insurrection actually gets placed. And doesn't matter, we're still talking about massive about of damage and rebuilding needing to be undertaken.

I actually enjoy Insurrection, but there's some glaring problems with the story. Not the least of which is the crew blindly following Picard.
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It's not hate, just a fact. Crusher and Troi did little of note in the TNG films and Troi was mostly useless during the series run.
First Contact *grrrrr* Lily's role could have been handed off to Crusher. Take the Briefing Room scene, now have Crusher making the same arguments as Lily and Picard flipping out on Beverly...that's a better scene.
And there by lose the interesting thing about the scene being a mid 21st century post WWIII person calling the oh so evolved better 24th century captain out on his hypocrisy.
Not only that, but that also means replacing Alfre Woodard with Gates McFadden. To add, that means replacing Alfre Woodard with Gates McFadden. Alfre, as Lilly, holds her own for every single second of screen time she gets. She's damn near flawless (IMO, of course), and I think replacing her with the doctor is a step in the wrong direction. I like Gates McFadden, she's a good actress, and she's good with props, but holy tribble sex on a bunsen burner, she has nowhere near the screen presence of Alfre Woodard. I think it would have fallen flat with Crusher confronting Picard.
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Replacing Alfre Woodard would be AWFUL!! And replacing her with boring Beverly would turn that scene into Picared/Crusher foreplay and it would be absolutely DULL. DULL. DULL. Lily and Cochrane are great not just because of the actors but because we need to be looking at NEW PEOPLE not the same old same old(er) crew we've been looking at for 7 seasons already.
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I think it's too bad Crusher got the least amount of things to do in these films (In NEMESIS, her very last line is 40 mins before the film even ended!). However, I'm having a hard time trying to see what they could have done with her. McFadden really wasn't that great of an actress. She worked in small doses, but she never held her own for me and having her replace Lily would have lost so much of the power the scenes had.

As for Troi, I liked that moment where she got drunk in FIRST CONTACT. Most of the time she's written as stuffy, so to see her loosen up one of the few times was a real delight and you can tell Sirtis was having a real ball with it.
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I enjoyed Troi in VOY and FC and that's the only time I've enjoyed her. I wish they loosened her up more, very true about the stuffiness.
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and you nearly have MagicBlood that is arguably just as ill-conceived as nuKhan-vintage MagicBlood in nuTrek.
Is now a good time to mention my work colleague who was just recently one of six people, in an international clinical trial, in which a serum distilled from her own blood was used to repair a persistent ankle injury that she has carried for decades?

Yay for magic blood in 2013 - and who can even guess at what it might be able to do in the 23rd century.
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Yeah it's a lot less ridiculous than a gazillion other medical magics from Trek.
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Like "McCoy's Magic Kidney Pills". Guarantee to grow you a new kidney in minutes or your money back!
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