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Old November 13 2013, 02:18 AM   #286
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So you're saying that Khan had to be played by a white actor wearing brown make-up, who speaks with a Spanish accent on the grounds of consistency?
Don't be obtuse.
Sarcasm ( something even Spock would recognize) and a touch of hyperbole to point out the absurdity of your statement. Which you've kindly reiterated below

So yes to brown face and a Spanish accent for character who's supposed to be a Sikh and an Indian?


No, the writers and producers of "Space Seed" were idiots. They wrote the line about Khan being a Sikh, yet ignored the recommendations of DeForest Research about proper Sikh names and appearance (Khan and Noonien are not Sikh names and nothing about Khan's appearance says Sikh or even Indian).

I guess they figured the audience was too dumb to notice.

That would require the entirety of Sikh culture to have vanished without a trace. So yeah, implausible for a trained historian to get it wrong. Especially one seemingly enamored with the 20th Century,

3. Greg Cox did such a wonderful job with his Khan trilogy, I don't even think about what skin tone Ricardo Montalban really was (in fact, I never knew he was any tone other than those he portrayed in "Space Seed" or Bonanza until I saw him on Fantasy Island)
. The first two books were fanwankery to the extreme. The third book was excellent.

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He can be an ethnic Sikh without being a practicing Sikh. His surname implies that he is most likely ethnically Sikh.
Which doesn't explain how Marla would know he's a Sikh on sight, when she doesn't know his name.

All male Sikhs adopt the name "Singh", so no matter what name Khan was born with. it would have changed to "Singh" when becoming a Sikh. My speculation is "Khan Noonien Singh" is not his real name, but one he took upon his rise to power. Khan to appeal to the Muslim population and Singh to appeal to Hindus and Sikhs. No clue about Noonien. Maybe it appeals to Buddhists.
Hell, maybe "Noonien" comes from the name of one of the scientist. Another Soong family member.
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Old November 13 2013, 02:27 AM   #287
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Since Khan ruled by intimidation and conquest (like all Augments did), why would he have cared about "appealing" to any group? His kind *forced* people to accept his rule, they logically did not have to care about whether they had appealing names.
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Old November 13 2013, 02:28 AM   #288
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All male Sikhs adopt the name "Singh", so no matter what name Khan was born with. it would have changed to "Singh" when becoming a Sikh. My speculation is "Khan Noonien Singh" is not his real name, but one he took upon his rise to power. Khan to appeal to the Muslim population and Singh to appeal to Hindus and Sikhs. No clue about Noonien. Maybe it appeals to Buddhists.
Hell, maybe "Noonien" comes from the name of one of the scientist. Another Soong family member.
Ah yes, "Noonien Soong", played by that famous Chinese actor Brent Spiner.
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Old November 13 2013, 02:28 AM   #289
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Since Khan ruled by intimidation and conquest (like all Augments did), why would he have cared about "appealing" to any group? His kind *forced* people to accept his rule, they logically did not have to care about whether they had appealing names.

Just watch Space Seed, he's a wooer. He a Dukat. He wants to be loved, though he will force people to do so if they resist.
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Old November 13 2013, 02:42 AM   #290
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Marketing-wise, there was no way they were going to do a "revenge of the augment" plot and not have John Harrison be Khan.
Yeah, no doubt. Especially given the kind of thinking that Lindelof revealed in his quote about having to be saving the Earth if you spend more than $100 million.

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Just watch Space Seed, he's a wooer.
One of the things that made him so fascinating, for sure. Can't readily think of another TOS villain who can (almost) out-seduce Kirk.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:00 AM   #291
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Marla was a bit of an easy mark. On the other hand, Scotty and Kirk almost fell under his spell.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:04 AM   #292
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Lindelof is full of shit. Look at Avatar, man.

That insecurity current producers suffer from is ridiculous. Maybe put a big fucking BMW logo on the Enterprise, because market research shows that's what the target audience wants to see (official reason why John McClane steals a BMW in Die Hard 4.0).
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Old November 13 2013, 03:38 AM   #293
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Lindelof is full of shit. Look at Avatar, man.
QFT.

But I do take his comment to be an indication of the pressures from the money men on the writing staff of the last couple of Trek films. Cameron had to build massive clout in the industry before he could get Avatar made, no doubt because of exactly that kind of thinking... which is still skittish about SF period.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:44 AM   #294
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Especially given the kind of thinking that Lindelof revealed in his quote about having to be saving the Earth if you spend more than $100 million.
So, more saving the Earth next time. Yay.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:49 AM   #295
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You guys read a lot of comments and interviews. Not sure I've ever read a comment by Lindlelof ( or Orci, Kurtzman, Abrams et al ) unless it was quoted here.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:53 AM   #296
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So, more saving the Earth next time. Yay.
I'm still betting "centre of the galaxy" for the next one.

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You guys read a lot of comments and interviews.
Actually that Lindelof comment is from a podcast someone linked in a thread here about a week back.
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Old November 13 2013, 03:56 AM   #297
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So over saving the earth. Let it die already.
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Old November 13 2013, 04:18 AM   #298
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So, more saving the Earth next time. Yay.
I'm still betting "centre of the galaxy" for the next one.

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You guys read a lot of comments and interviews.
Actually that Lindelof comment is from a podcast someone linked in a thread here about a week back.
I'm not into the podcast thing either. My interest in the "Man behind the curtain" has waned a lot as I've grown older.
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So over saving the earth. Let it die already.
Earth is so overhyped in Trek. "Federation of hundreds of world, dozens of lifeforms...Humans and Earth must be protected at all costs! They're the center of the universe!"

Say what I will about Enterprise at times, but I give 'em credit for actually having an enemy that showed up and bitch slapped the Earth. My mistake was thinking that they'd actually take the risk and have Earth get nuked--if even for a few episode.

I would throw money at the screen if we got one movie, one episode, were the rest of the Federation didn't treat humanity like something special and let Earth and humanity twist in the wind.
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Old November 13 2013, 04:38 AM   #300
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All this Earth hate makes me want to join Terra Prime,
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