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Old November 3 2013, 12:02 AM   #151
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

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Its great that we are all talking about Kirk and his great attributes but can we all get back to the main topic. how many of you really want Orci and his friends to return. I don't.
It's already confirmed that they are. I think this should be "their" trilogy - it would be strange for the 3rd (and possibly final) installment to have a completely different feel to the other two.
I don't think a change a writers would mean that the next film would have a completely different feel from the other two unless they really aim to radically change the feel and tone. It will ultimately depend on what the next director wants to do. I actually would like a change in writing just to reflect the series growing and maturing. It would be a shame for a third film to feel interchangeable with the first. A film series needs to grow, otherwise it feels like it's going nowhere. That's what I like about the original Star Wars trilogy as each film went for a different tone and it wasn't just because of different directors but that Lucas wanted to make it feel like audiences are on a journey. That's one aspect of Star Wars I think Trek needs most rather than just making the phasers shoot more like laser blasters and such. Also, I'd hate for this series to stop with a third installment merely because a bunch of other genre film franchises quit at #3. I'd like to see this series go as far as either TOS and TNG films, making that a minimum of four films. Maybe have a fifth film take place on the end of their five year mission, where we get to see how far the characters have come since the first.

I love your Star Wars reference about Lucas taking the audience on a journey.

A new Hope: Luke discovers he is a special kid. he leaves home to go on a very enchanting adventure.

Empire Strikes Back: Luke learns the awful truth about him and you know who.

Return of the Jedi: Luke comes to term with who he is and who he should be. he also gives his father a chance at redemption.

The Last 2 trek films has been about revenge and revenge. I hope we get something different in the third film.

I adored the 2009 film (one of the best Trek and sci-fi film ever and perhaps Orci and Kurtzman's best work)

I liked the 2013 film.

I want to love the 2016 film.

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Old November 3 2013, 12:18 AM   #152
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I too am tired of the revenge angle and that's not because it's bee used on both Abrams films but that it's also been used in the three films prior! Nearly half the films have a revenge element, I think it's time to put that to rest and do something original. Hopefully Orci and Kurtzman are well aware of that and do something different, rather than do the same thing over and over "because we made the most successful Trek films ever, therefore we repeat it!"
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Old November 3 2013, 12:26 AM   #153
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Okay how about the guy that wrote contact. I can't remember his name but you know the film. The one with Jodi Foster. He could pen the next Trek film.
Carl Sagan has been dead for nearly 17 years, and while some of his work has been published posthumously, none of it has been fiction.

Did you ever read the actual Contact novel? In some ways it's quite different from the movie.

Did you ever see Cosmos? In one of the episodes, he makes a case for why he doesn't think that stories like Star Wars (and presumably Star Trek) could actually happen.

So even if Sagan were still alive, he would very likely not be willing to write a Star Trek movie.
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Old November 3 2013, 12:48 AM   #154
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Maybe they should get Greg Bear to write the next Star Trek but that would probably lead to some Q level crap right there if Silentium is any clue.
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Old November 3 2013, 12:54 AM   #155
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We could always try to get Karen Traviss. Just think of it: Traviss versus Trekkies...you'd be kissing Orci's feet after that
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Old November 3 2013, 01:06 AM   #156
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Dare I google Traviss?
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Old November 3 2013, 01:13 AM   #157
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Ellison--and I'm not kidding. I was gnawing this over, if we're talking SCIFI, give Elllison the reigns to do what he does best.

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Anytime someone whines about how fans of <insert fandom> are getting treat, she's my go to for "Yeah, but it cold be worse".
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Old November 3 2013, 01:29 AM   #158
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So even if Sagan were still alive, he would very likely not be willing to write a Star Trek movie.
You're erroneously drawing a conclusion based on an assumption.

The only thing we know for certain is Nick was a fan and wrote several episodes of Star Trek. His father's influence (or there lack of) is an unknown.

And just because a person says he doesn't think something could be real, doesn't mean he's not a fan. That's a fallacy.

For the record, I don't think Star Trek stuff can happen either, but I'm still a fan. I'd also jump at the chance to write a film.

That said, even if he were alive, Sagan would not be the right person for the job.
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Old November 3 2013, 01:39 AM   #159
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I would just hate to have a Trek movie all 2001 like with huge science and dramatic edge of galaxy god computer hard sci fi stuff. I don't want my Trek hard sci fi.
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Old November 3 2013, 01:54 AM   #160
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Having Trek try to aim for something high-brow like 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY is as wrong as trying to aim for something low-brow like TRANSFORMERS. I prefer Trek to be somewhere in the middle, where it can be both thoughtful and entertaining like TOS was.
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Old November 3 2013, 01:59 AM   #161
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Having Trek try to aim for something high-brow like 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY is as wrong as trying to aim for something low-brow like TRANSFORMERS. I prefer Trek to be somewhere in the middle, where it can be both thoughtful and entertaining like TOS was.
Like every Star Trek film I-XII ... Well, except for Insurrection. White vegan hipsters posing as American Native Amish are neither thoughtful or entertaining.
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Old November 3 2013, 02:17 AM   #162
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Having Trek try to aim for something high-brow like 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY is as wrong as trying to aim for something low-brow like TRANSFORMERS. I prefer Trek to be somewhere in the middle, where it can be both thoughtful and entertaining like TOS was.
Like every Star Trek film I-XII
Not all of them. TMP seemed to want a piece of that 2001 cake, but didn't have much going for it to be all that profound. TFF seemed to juggle between high brow (the grand search for God) and low (slapstick shenanigans). The Abrams films dip too close to low brow for my tastes, with all the Paul Blart level humor inserted like Kirk having Nutty Professor hands and a numb tongue.

I think the best Trek film examples of middle brow done right is TWOK, TVH, TUC and FC. To me, they represent Trek with the right amount of doing something dramatically earnest while at the same time knowing when to have a little fun so not to come off so po-faced like NEMESIS, or schizophrenic like THE FINAL FRONTIER.
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Old November 3 2013, 06:52 AM   #163
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I have no loyalty to Orci and Kurtzman. I just want the best man/woman for the job.

Sounds to me that most of the Star Trek movies had some sort of agenda - Kirk's son, Data's death, Kirk vs Picard, Kirk riding horses, Picard going dune-buggying, Data with emotions.
I'd like a comprehensive, plothole-less (story) written without the writers having to magically patch these studio-enforced themes in. I'm dreaming aren't I?
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Old November 3 2013, 07:57 AM   #164
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So even if Sagan were still alive, he would very likely not be willing to write a Star Trek movie.
You're erroneously drawing a conclusion based on an assumption.

The only thing we know for certain is Nick was a fan and wrote several episodes of Star Trek. His father's influence (or there lack of) is an unknown.

And just because a person says he doesn't think something could be real, doesn't mean he's not a fan. That's a fallacy.

For the record, I don't think Star Trek stuff can happen either, but I'm still a fan. I'd also jump at the chance to write a film.

That said, even if he were alive, Sagan would not be the right person for the job.
I know Carl Sagan was a SF fan. He said so himself, and described how he enjoyed Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom books when he was a child, and fantasized about going to Mars himself, like his hero John Carter.

I saw Cosmos in its initial run. I've read the book. I've read other Sagan books. I read his Contact novel, and I've honestly lost count of how many times I saw the movie. Yes, it's that good.

However, just because Carl Sagan was very good at popularizing science and inspiring many people to embrace science - especially anything to do with astronomy and the space program - that doesn't mean he would be good at writing Star Trek. And I have to say that his novel was good, but not great. There were places where the plot meandered a bit and some parts of it seemed pointless. But none of those parts were the ones that dealt with the science.

Sagan always came across as completely, sincerely believing in everything he wrote, and everything he said. And one of the things he made crystal-clear in Cosmos is that he considered situations such as those depicted in Star Wars (or by extension any other space-based group of aliens interacting as a real-time political body of planets) to be "unlikely." His reasons were due to the science behind it, not any dislike for SF itself.

I'm aware that Nick Sagan wrote some Star Trek episodes, and a lot of other SF, as well. Given his credentials and skill, I'm sure that he would do a fine job if he was given the chance (assuming he was interested in the first place).

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Oh, heaven forbid that science fiction should include any actual science!
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Old November 3 2013, 08:12 AM   #165
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I learned so much science from movies I-X I just can't fit any more in.
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