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Old November 2 2013, 03:56 PM   #136
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

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Its great that we are all talking about Kirk and his great attributes but can we all get back to the main topic. how many of you really want Orci and his friends to return. I don't.
They're responsible for two of the most successful Star Trek films ever. I don't see why anyone in their right minds wouldn't want them back.

am still rooting for Neil and kaku. They could be the film's consultant. At least we wont have the ship under water. they will give us good science fiction.
You do realize that being a consultant doesn't mean squat in the final product. There are reams of "corrections" provided to TOS by Kellam DeForrest research about errors that were ignored for budgetary, story and time reasons.
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Old November 2 2013, 04:51 PM   #137
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Its great that we are all talking about Kirk and his great attributes but can we all get back to the main topic. how many of you really want Orci and his friends to return. I don't.
They're responsible for two of the most successful Star Trek films ever. I don't see why anyone in their right minds wouldn't want them back.
I can see why individuals would not want them back--not everyone has to like their work. However, I cannot fathom, based on the money the films have made, why Paramount would not want them back. And as they are the final decision makers…I wouldn't hold my breath about a complete replacement of the writing team unless they remove themselves voluntarily.
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Old November 2 2013, 06:36 PM   #138
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As a newbie to the forums, I'm kind of surprised (but glad) to see so many people defending the Abrams Star Trek movies. I would think most "Trekkies" were very anti-Abrams going by what I've heard but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
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Old November 2 2013, 07:09 PM   #139
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Its great that we are all talking about Kirk and his great attributes but can we all get back to the main topic. how many of you really want Orci and his friends to return. I don't.
It's already confirmed that they are. I think this should be "their" trilogy - it would be strange for the 3rd (and possibly final) installment to have a completely different feel to the other two.
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Old November 2 2013, 08:09 PM   #140
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As a newbie to the forums, I'm kind of surprised (but glad) to see so many people defending the Abrams Star Trek movies. I would think most "Trekkies" were very anti-Abrams going by what I've heard but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
I was a Trekkie before some of the anti-Abrams crowd were born.
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Old November 2 2013, 08:50 PM   #141
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

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As a newbie to the forums, I'm kind of surprised (but glad) to see so many people defending the Abrams Star Trek movies. I would think most "Trekkies" were very anti-Abrams going by what I've heard but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
I was a Trekkie before some of the anti-Abrams crowd were born.
I actually figured most of the anti-Abrams Trekkies were 'older' (like myself) being the complaint is mostly due to the movies not being in tradition like TOS and onwards. After all, Abrams was supposedly aiming for a younger target audience.
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Old November 2 2013, 09:36 PM   #142
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I figured it was the TNG-era crowd (of which I guess I'm a part) who were most anti-Abrams Trek. Many TNG fans viewed TOS as a goofy relic (as did Gene Roddenberry!), and seeing that version of Trek brought back over the much slower-paced and PC Trek probably rankles.
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Old November 2 2013, 10:14 PM   #143
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I figured it was the TNG-era crowd (of which I guess I'm a part) who were most anti-Abrams Trek. Many TNG fans viewed TOS as a goofy relic (as did Gene Roddenberry!), and seeing that version of Trek brought back over the much slower-paced and PC Trek probably rankles.
TOS is barely watchable for me with the exception of a small handful of episodes due to how utterly campy it was. It wasn't until TMP that I actually liked Star Trek. The TOS movies were all good, imo, exception being The Search for Spock. I even enjoyed Final Frontier. That said, I try not to judge but it's hard for me to see anyone blast the Abrams movies and yet hold TOS in such high regards. Personally, I think that might be a bit nostalgia getting in the way. I mean people say they prefer ridiculous looking rubber suit Gorn over Abrams Gorn which for the life of me, I can't understand. But hey, I'm not exactly on the line with a lot of Trekkies being one of my favorite movies was TMP and I did actually like FF.
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Old November 2 2013, 10:24 PM   #144
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TOS is barely watchable for me with the exception of a small handful of episodes due to how utterly campy it was. It wasn't until TMP that I actually liked Star Trek. The TOS movies were all good, imo, exception being The Search for Spock. I even enjoyed Final Frontier. That said, I try not to judge but it's hard for me to see anyone blast the Abrams movies and yet hold TOS in such high regards. Personally, I think that might be a bit nostalgia getting in the way. I mean people say they prefer ridiculous looking rubber suit Gorn over Abrams Gorn which for the life of me, I can't understand. But hey, I'm not exactly on the line with a lot of Trekkies being one of my favorite movies was TMP and I did actually like FF.
I think part of it is simply when you started watching. Me? I've been watching for thirty-eight years starting at age four. For me, Star Trek: The Original Series is Star Trek. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is my favorite Trek movie, I find much of the spin-offs incredibly dull and love the Abramsverse films. I understand the need to update and change things for modern audiences but I still will take the rubber-suited Gorn from Arena over the Veloci-Gorn any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The Abramsverse films have brought back a sense of fun that has been missing from the franchise for a good twenty years, at least. When I grew up, Star Trek was fun, action-adventure escapism, much of those elements went missing in the spin-offs and I'm glad Abrams brought them back.
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Old November 2 2013, 10:33 PM   #145
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Its great that we are all talking about Kirk and his great attributes but can we all get back to the main topic. how many of you really want Orci and his friends to return. I don't.
I think everyone got, right off the bat, that you didn't want Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof back; it's there in the thread title for all to see. I do not think, however, that it's fair for you to criticize people for following side topics which you yourself introduced into the discussion.

Look to your earlier posts in the thread:
... twisted sex scenes...

... showing off a woman's hotness and using her as a sex object...

Star Trek films should have a very deep story with a lot of philosophical and intellectual influences.

... real credible and intelligent science fiction writers like Micko Kaku or Neil deGrasse Tyson...

Gravity was a beautiful and well in depth sci-fi film that will be remembered for a long time.
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Why is Kirk having sex with two cat women at the same time.

Kirk as an 18 years old college frat boy freshman who loves to experiment with sex

Kirk is more of a horn dog.

A perfect example is how Nolan and his writer brother David Nolan wrote Bruce Wayne in their Barman film series.
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I was watching Django Unchained yesterday and I was so amazed that the film was so story driven.

In Django Unchained every moment in the film had a story to tell. that is the depth.

In TNG, I still get chills watching Picard, Worf, Riker,
Dr. Crusher, Geordi, Deanna and Data all sitting together in the commanding room giving their opinions on things...
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Both men write books based on science hypotheses in other words what we see in our sci-fi films.

Both men have written books and published articles about time travel, wormholes, parallel universes. This are all still classified as science fictions.
Is it any wonder, then, that discussion is all over the place? If you desire to have a discussion which focuses on a single main topic, then it would be better for you to make it the main topic from the outset, and leave out all of the peripheral material that you'd prefer people not talk about.

I'm getting a strange feeling of déjà vu, as if I've explained all of this to someone before in exactly the same way.
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Old November 2 2013, 10:53 PM   #146
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

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Its great that we are all talking about Kirk and his great attributes but can we all get back to the main topic. how many of you really want Orci and his friends to return. I don't.
It's already confirmed that they are. I think this should be "their" trilogy - it would be strange for the 3rd (and possibly final) installment to have a completely different feel to the other two.
I don't think a change a writers would mean that the next film would have a completely different feel from the other two unless they really aim to radically change the feel and tone. It will ultimately depend on what the next director wants to do. I actually would like a change in writing just to reflect the series growing and maturing. It would be a shame for a third film to feel interchangeable with the first. A film series needs to grow, otherwise it feels like it's going nowhere. That's what I like about the original Star Wars trilogy as each film went for a different tone and it wasn't just because of different directors but that Lucas wanted to make it feel like audiences are on a journey. That's one aspect of Star Wars I think Trek needs most rather than just making the phasers shoot more like laser blasters and such. Also, I'd hate for this series to stop with a third installment merely because a bunch of other genre film franchises quit at #3. I'd like to see this series go as far as either TOS and TNG films, making that a minimum of four films. Maybe have a fifth film take place on the end of their five year mission, where we get to see how far the characters have come since the first.
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They also care too much about showing off a woman's hotness.


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Old November 2 2013, 11:06 PM   #148
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You'd think there would be more than two scenes lasting seconds if that was true.
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Old November 2 2013, 11:47 PM   #149
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I'm constantly baffled at the way people talk about NuTrek as though it was HBO

Network tv has more sex than Trek.
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I'm constantly baffled at the way people talk about NuTrek as though it was HBO

Network tv has more sex than Trek.
I wonder if the same people that bitch about 10 or 20 seconds worth of women in their underwear in the new movies bitched at the similar scenes in the old movies.
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