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Old November 5 2013, 04:37 PM   #31
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Re: Highlander II unused ideas

I really liked the cartoon, it's actually what really made me a fan of the franchise. It's practically a reboot in and of its self.

Source was what managed to turn me off it. It really can't be stressed how bad that film is. Doesn't Duncan spend most of it without a sword? Talk about missing the point.
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Old November 5 2013, 05:27 PM   #32
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Re: Highlander II unused ideas

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Was The Source really that bad?
No, it was worse.
Hell even the film makers must have thought it sucked since they included a freaking recap of the film in the last few seconds.
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Old November 5 2013, 06:43 PM   #33
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there was also an anime film. Highlander: The Search for Vengeance. doesn't tie in with the movie or tv characters, but i thought it was very enjoyable.
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Old November 10 2013, 01:03 PM   #34
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I've wondered if one reason Endgame and The Source may not have been very big successes is that they were targeted more at those familiar with the TV show, and those who'd only seen the previous movies would have felt a bit in the dark.
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Old November 10 2013, 03:50 PM   #35
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I think a good example of a TV series villain is Gul Dukat. He is a very reasonable and has a lot of conviction; he's charismatic and you can see that he is trying to do "the right thing" as he sees it. You can follow his line of reasoning. Of course, his right thing has a fatal flaw, but he continually raises questions about going too far - something that Starfleet captains like Sisko and Janeway do on occasion, as well. For example, Janeway torturing a crewman of the Equinox, or Sisko tricking Eddington by threatening a population.

So a good villain raises constant confrontations of these biases from different points of view. IE, the best villians are almost heroic and relatable. Star Trek 2009's Nero was based on plain masculine revenge, and not the type of character you'd ever have to see again - almost anyone will do. Substitute any random Klingon, change name of planets, plot is basically the same.

No, I think the best villains are sympathetic right up to a point they make a wrong choice. (Predator & Alien notwithstanding).

In Highlander, some of my favorite villains were actually friends of Duncan's.
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Old November 10 2013, 09:44 PM   #36
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Re: Highlander II unused ideas

I never understood the obsession with post-apocalyptic Highlander (The Quickening, The Animated Series, The Search for Vengeance, The Source). My preference is more of the historical fiction version of the franchise and more reality-based. To each their own, I guess.
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Old November 11 2013, 01:36 AM   #37
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To my mind one of the biggest problems with any attempted continuation of 'Highlander' is the title. You pretty much have to make it about Conner, or some other Scottsman who also happens to be immortal. I mean you could hardly make it about any of another nationality, it just wouldn't make sense. It'd be like making a movie called "The Karate Kid" where the kid learns Kung Fu......oh wait.

As for the post apocalypse thing, I think I see the reason. I mean you're either going to show the past, which can get a bit gimmicky after a while--the present, in which people running around with katannas and broadswords rather stresses credibility--or they can do the future. Now if it was a utopian future, then there'd be no point, but a post apocalyptic setting is rather the best of both worlds. Time has still past and yet technology can regress back to a point where swords are a viable weapon again and the world is back to being big and dangerous.
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Old November 11 2013, 07:50 AM   #38
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The basic concept is flawed. I doubt think a reboot that is recognizable will matter either. The original was a self contained story. With a defined ending. All the rules that have defined all the Highlander movies and the series which was designed for a single survivor. When you starting pulling apart the different rules it makes no sense.
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Old November 11 2013, 06:03 PM   #39
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I personally would love to have seen an idea conceived for the first Highlander movie: After MacLeod decapitates the Kurgan, a kind of magical energy dragon emerges from the Kurgan's body and continues to fight MacLeod until he defeats it. Only then does he gain the Prize. Sadly, this was cut, apparently due to budget concerns. I reckon it would've been awesome though.
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Old November 11 2013, 06:13 PM   #40
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^Nah, I hate video game style "bonus round" endings to fights.
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Old November 11 2013, 09:04 PM   #41
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Can anyone tell me exactly what it was about The Source that was so awful?
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Old November 11 2013, 09:08 PM   #42
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^ I haven't seen it, but from what I gather exactly everything was wrong with it.
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Old November 11 2013, 11:11 PM   #43
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Can anyone tell me exactly what it was about The Source that was so awful?
Poorly shot, poorly written, poorly acted, poorly conceived.
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Old November 12 2013, 12:39 AM   #44
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They take the entire Highlander TV franchise, take the worst bowel movement you can imagine all over it, then serve it to you with a glass of expired milk, knowing you're lactose intolerant. I can't imagine any of the actors, even Adrian Paul, liking what the movie did to their characters, nor anyone who ever wrote for the TV show liking what the hell happened to the Highlander world they wrote for six or so seasons.

Ah, here we go:

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/12/...source-review/

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Old November 12 2013, 03:33 AM   #45
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sojourner wrote: View Post
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Can anyone tell me exactly what it was about The Source that was so awful?
Poorly shot, poorly written, poorly acted, poorly conceived.
And so boring they give a recap of the film if you fell asleep watching it.
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