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Old March 12 2014, 04:15 PM   #616
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And stephen drew is still on the street as well.

Lesson needs to be that the non-elite players need to stop turning down the QA. Then teams will be more hesitant to offer, which is how it should be. To date, no one has accepted, so you offer and get a pick, no brainer. They start saying yes, you gotta be more careful
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Old March 12 2014, 06:30 PM   #617
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Lesson needs to be that the non-elite players need to stop turning down the QA. Then teams will be more hesitant to offer, which is how it should be. To date, no one has accepted, so you offer and get a pick, no brainer. They start saying yes, you gotta be more careful
To an extent I agree, but at that point you're basically asking some players to be the sacrificial lambs. I mean, I sure as hell don't blame Santana for not wanting to stick around in Kansas City for another year. Free agency is supposed to be exactly that -- free agency, not "okay, you get to shop around but good luck getting a long-term contract from anyone else." In a way, it's even more cumbersome than restricted free agency in the NHL, because at least then you're guaranteed to hit unrestricted free agency after a certain amount of time. You could theoretically slap a baseball player with a QO an unlimited number of times.
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Old March 12 2014, 08:43 PM   #618
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And the money he gets is stupid high. Think Cruz would like 14.1M for one year instead of the 8M for one year he got? Drew probably wouldn't mind a 1 year, 14M contract right now.

If there was any inkling they would have accepted the offer, neither team would have made it. Since they knew they were going to test the market, hey, free draft pick! Once people start taking the VERY GOOD QA price contract, teams will start to hesitate and only offer it to those it wants to keep, or knows that will get premiere deals (Cano and Ellsbury weren't a risk of accepting, or not getting a big deal).

There's risk (of injury, crappy play) to playing on QA deals, but the upside is you're being paid like a premiere player every year, just on one-year deals. Second year in a row a couple agents have misread the market and screwed the players, gotta eventually be some pushback to accept the deals. Santana did well just to get back to 14M, and took an injury late in preseason to do it. Drew still is looking for a job.
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Old March 12 2014, 10:42 PM   #619
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You're making a false equivalency, though. Desire for money =/= desire for destination. Taking Santana as an example, he made it clear that he had no desire to stay in Kansas City -- and who would, really? But you're arguing he should have taken the money just because ... why? It's not the fault of the agents, it's because of a bad CBA negotiated by Michael Weiner, who sold out non-star players for the sake of increased drug testing.

Stephen Drew is looking for a job because no one is terribly interested in a 30-year-old .260 career shortstop who wants a long-term contract and has draft compensation attached to him because of the QO. (Not sure what QA is in baseball ... I think coaches are responsible for quality assurance. )
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Old March 13 2014, 12:20 AM   #620
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Sure, but if you can't read your own market enough to figure out no one wants that, it's on the player; they didn't 'get screwed'.

Disagree that no one should want that, as it's a clear upgrade for several teams, but beside the point. If you don't think anyone will pay you more than 6M or so, or for more than 2 or so years, 14M for one is pretty good, and try the market next year.

Unless you're completely miserable in your current location, I suppose. Doesn't seem like that's true of either Santana or Drew, though. They just wanted multi-year deals and asked for too much to start. The obvious teams moved on, and they got left without a team that had a clear need. And then they aren't 14M players, so what's left? Nelson Cruz did the same thing, can't tell me he hated Texas and was dying to play on the O's for 6 million less than the QA...
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Old March 15 2014, 05:38 PM   #621
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Haven't posted in this thread in a while but some thoughts on the Bay Area teams this spring training:

-Barry Bonds came in to teach hitting this week, and I don't care. If the Giants continue to swing at every single first pitch, then it really doesn't matter who comes in to teach hitting. I was watching the game last Saturday and it seemed like they were just swinging for everything. It's been this way for the last few years, almost to the point where the 2012 world series really was just catching lightning in a bottle.

-A's got some bad news yesterday with the injuries to AJ Griffan and Jerrod Parker. I predicted a A's/Dodgers world series, and I will still stay with that prediction, but when you have two of your key starters injured in Spring Training, that's not good.

-I hate the length of Spring Training. Start the season already, so maybe the World Series doesn't have to end in November or late October.
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Old March 15 2014, 06:11 PM   #622
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You do realize it's still cold in the majority of cities where baseball is played
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Old March 15 2014, 06:18 PM   #623
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Haven't posted in this thread in a while but some thoughts on the Bay Area teams this spring training:

-Barry Bonds came in to teach hitting this week, and I don't care.
I'm always happy to see Ser Barrold of House Bonds doing something in baseball, but holy shit, Keith Olbermann (who isn't exactly a stranger to being a horse's ass) got absolutely insufferable about this.



Fuck's sake, Keith.
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You do realize it's still cold in the majority of cities where baseball is played
Yes, but it will still be cold in April so what difference does it make. This winter has just been odd for everyone. Heck, I think it's supposed to get into the 80s in the Bay Area today. Wish there was a Baseball game to go to.
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Old March 15 2014, 07:29 PM   #625
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Haven't posted in this thread in a while but some thoughts on the Bay Area teams this spring training:

-Barry Bonds came in to teach hitting this week, and I don't care.
I'm always happy to see Ser Barrold of House Bonds doing something in baseball, but holy shit, Keith Olbermann (who isn't exactly a stranger to being a horse's ass) got absolutely insufferable about this.



Fuck's sake, Keith.
Oh, Keith Olbermann got on his high horse again. Fuck that Douchebag and his show.
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Old March 16 2014, 05:43 PM   #626
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Oh, Keith Olbermann got on his high horse again. Fuck that Douchebag and his show.
Every now and again he absolutely hits the nail on the head, but the vast majority of the time he's hammering his own foot and shouting about it. I love how he calls Bonds the worst scandal to baseball since the Black Sox. Jesus.

Edit: Holy shit, apparently exploding arms are contagious; both Medlen and Beachy are going in for their second Tommy John surgeries.

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Oh, Keith Olbermann got on his high horse again. Fuck that Douchebag and his show.
Every now and again he absolutely hits the nail on the head, but the vast majority of the time he's hammering his own foot and shouting about it. I love how he calls Bonds the worst scandal to baseball since the Black Sox. Jesus.

Edit: Holy shit, apparently exploding arms are contagious; both Medlen and Beachy are going in for their second Tommy John surgeries.
I think he hit the nail on the head this time.
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Old March 17 2014, 12:02 AM   #628
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Oh, Keith Olbermann got on his high horse again. Fuck that Douchebag and his show.
Every now and again he absolutely hits the nail on the head, but the vast majority of the time he's hammering his own foot and shouting about it. I love how he calls Bonds the worst scandal to baseball since the Black Sox. Jesus.

Edit: Holy shit, apparently exploding arms are contagious; both Medlen and Beachy are going in for their second Tommy John surgeries.
I think he hit the nail on the head this time.
Really? The biggest scandal in baseball's history was Barry fucking Bonds?

Wow, it's almost like collusion, cocaine being dealt in clubhouses, the strikes, Pete Rose and, oh, that little thing called institutionalized racism / segregation never happened.
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Every now and again he absolutely hits the nail on the head, but the vast majority of the time he's hammering his own foot and shouting about it. I love how he calls Bonds the worst scandal to baseball since the Black Sox. Jesus.

Edit: Holy shit, apparently exploding arms are contagious; both Medlen and Beachy are going in for their second Tommy John surgeries.
I think he hit the nail on the head this time.
Really? The biggest scandal in baseball's history was Barry fucking Bonds?

Wow, it's almost like collusion, cocaine being dealt in clubhouses, the strikes, Pete Rose and, oh, that little thing called institutionalized racism / segregation never happened.
He DID mention the black sox...

And the Pete Rose thing wasn't that big, he's just an idiot.

..and racism/segregation was not unique to baseball... kind of hard to pin it all on them when they broke the barrier 1947... what, 20 years ahead of MLK's civil rights march? Seems like Baseball was leading they way.
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Edit: Holy shit, apparently exploding arms are contagious; both Medlen and Beachy are going in for their second Tommy John surgeries.
"Damn Gina, Damn"

The offense will have to pick up. It's a tall order though.
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