RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,887
Posts: 5,386,571
Members: 24,713
Currently online: 492
Newest member: colton123412345

TrekToday headlines

Gold Key Archives Volume 2
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Takei Documentary Wins Award
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Cumberbatch To Voice Khan
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Shaun And Ed On Phineas and Ferb
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

New Ships Coming From Official Starships Collection
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

Trek Stars Take On Ice Bucket Challenge
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

Retro Review: Profit and Lace
By: Michelle on Aug 16

Eve Engaged
By: T'Bonz on Aug 15

Shatner’s Get A Life DVD Debuts
By: T'Bonz on Aug 14

TV Alert: Takei Oprah Appearance
By: T'Bonz on Aug 14


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Sports and Fitness

Sports and Fitness It's football, not soccer.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old February 5 2014, 02:11 PM   #496
Use of Time
Commodore
 
Use of Time's Avatar
 
Location: Va. Beach, VA
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

I have no problem with that deal. Freeman is easily the best hitting player on the team who also plays gold glove level defense. He is signed young so they will get the best years out of him. I'm glad he got the payday over Heyward who has tremendous upside but is often injured. Kimbrel might be as good as gone though.
__________________
Searching for something, a million miles and a ways to go.
Use of Time is offline  
Old February 5 2014, 03:18 PM   #497
Timby
GIVE ME YOUR FACE
 
Timby's Avatar
 
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Use of Time wrote: View Post
I have no problem with that deal. Freeman is easily the best hitting player on the team who also plays gold glove level defense. He is signed young so they will get the best years out of him. I'm glad he got the payday over Heyward who has tremendous upside but is often injured. Kimbrel might be as good as gone though.
The problem is that Freeman has had precisely one really, really good season, and he just got a $16 million per year contract for it. Freeman's SLG went up 50 points but his ISO dropped by about 15. His 2013 line was great, but was propped up by a lot of extra singles and a BABIP I don't think he has the hitting skills to keep up. There's really no reason to extend him after a season he may never top, especially when he still has 3+ cheap years with which to back up that 2013 performance.

He's not a bad player, but he's not a "gotta lock up for eight years" player. Could have taken some of that money and extended McCann instead.
Timby is offline  
Old February 5 2014, 03:41 PM   #498
Use of Time
Commodore
 
Use of Time's Avatar
 
Location: Va. Beach, VA
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

eh, you might be right but I've watched him closely the past few years and he has improved every year he has played and he was a prominent run producer for the Braves last year. I think what got him the deal was mainly his consistency throughout the entire season as opposed to guys like Justin Upton who have two mega months and sputter in between. It appears they have attached themselves to Freddie as the face of the franchise. The fans love him, he is a good guy and while there may be some risk, I think a fall off is unlikely. He has a tremendous approach to the plate and he isn't going to get dumber up there. I didn't like the Uggla or Upton deals but I think they played the Heyward situation pretty well and I don't think the Freeman deal is a killer. 7 of his 8 years he will be in his twenties and he is pretty durable.

I really don't want to pay a lot of money for a closer though. I'm fine with trading Kimbrel if the arbitration hearing doesn't go well.
__________________
Searching for something, a million miles and a ways to go.
Use of Time is offline  
Old February 5 2014, 04:10 PM   #499
Yanks
Fleet Captain
 
Yanks's Avatar
 
Location: NX01 Bridge
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Timby wrote: View Post
Use of Time wrote: View Post
I have no problem with that deal. Freeman is easily the best hitting player on the team who also plays gold glove level defense. He is signed young so they will get the best years out of him. I'm glad he got the payday over Heyward who has tremendous upside but is often injured. Kimbrel might be as good as gone though.
The problem is that Freeman has had precisely one really, really good season, and he just got a $16 million per year contract for it. Freeman's SLG went up 50 points but his ISO dropped by about 15. His 2013 line was great, but was propped up by a lot of extra singles and a BABIP I don't think he has the hitting skills to keep up. There's really no reason to extend him after a season he may never top, especially when he still has 3+ cheap years with which to back up that 2013 performance.

He's not a bad player, but he's not a "gotta lock up for eight years" player. Could have taken some of that money and extended McCann instead.
Not saying I disagree with you, but should a ball club want to contract a player like that DURING his young years?

I mean look at the Yankees. They are ALWAYS paying big bucks for player that "had" great numbers for a few years.... and always getting dogged for it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I think this is a good sign for this kid. It's got to be lower risk that what the Yankees do.
__________________
We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture.”
- Evolution of the Solar System, NASA 1976, H. Alfvén & G, Arrhenius, p. 257.
Yanks is offline  
Old February 5 2014, 04:17 PM   #500
Timby
GIVE ME YOUR FACE
 
Timby's Avatar
 
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

The two warning signs on Freeman were the not-insignificant drop in ISO, and again that .371 BABIP. That's a completely unsustainable number, which means his batting average is due to fall back down to Earth -- he needs his walk rate to take a huge jump in order to keep his OBP anywhere near where it was last year.

It would be a fine deal if Freeman had more than one year of this kind of performance under his belt. As it stands right now, however, it's a season that exists in a vacuum, with nothing before or since to really establish context. This is only arb-1 for Freeman; if he hits like a moon monster in 2014, then, okay, I see the wisdom in signing him long-term. But as it stands right now, an eight-year contract after one good season is far too much money, far too soon, because with the lack of statistical context, it's entirely possible that 2013 was the best season Freeman will ever have. I'm not saying that's likely, but it's possible. It just makes no sense to lock up a guy for almost a decade after one good year.

In addition to potentially using that money to extend McCann, the Braves could have saved that money in case Heyward and Upton take huge strides over the next couple of seasons. Justin Upton might not get a lot better, but, if he suddenly starts approaching the Upton everybody was waiting for (and I'm thinking more in terms of power than batting average), they're going to feel stupid when they're paying Freeman that much money and Upton is heading out the door.
Timby is offline  
Old February 6 2014, 04:52 AM   #501
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Rangers just sealed a new naming rights deal for their ballpark. It's now called "Globe Life Park in Arlington". Linky

Apparently the Rangers feel the need to continuously remind people that they do, in fact, play in Arlington, as that name has been part of all the iterations of the stadium's name.
__________________
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline  
Old February 6 2014, 05:05 AM   #502
Tom Hendricks
Commodore
 
Tom Hendricks's Avatar
 
Location: Syracuse NY
View Tom Hendricks's Twitter Profile
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
Rangers just sealed a new naming rights deal for their ballpark. It's now called "Globe Life Park in Arlington". Linky

Apparently the Rangers feel the need to continuously remind people that they do, in fact, play in Arlington, as that name has been part of all the iterations of the stadium's name.
That's almost as bad as the Angels.
__________________
I am a child of the universe. I will walk gently and true

Of course I'm a creationist. I believe man created god.
Tom Hendricks is offline  
Old February 6 2014, 05:56 AM   #503
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

^ As much as I hate that one too, at least the Angels have an excuse: they want the name recognition associated with L.A., but they are required to have Anaheim in there as well.

On a much sadder note, Curt Schilling has cancer.
__________________
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Mr. Laser Beam is offline  
Old February 6 2014, 06:38 PM   #504
SmoothieX
Vice Admiral
 
SmoothieX's Avatar
 
Location: Massachusetts
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
Rangers just sealed a new naming rights deal for their ballpark. It's now called "Globe Life Park in Arlington". Linky

Apparently the Rangers feel the need to continuously remind people that they do, in fact, play in Arlington, as that name has been part of all the iterations of the stadium's name.
I'm waiting for an honest name for a stadium...

Some .com that's Going to Go Under Within a Year Stadium

OR

Energy Company to be Investigated by the Feds Park
SmoothieX is offline  
Old February 6 2014, 06:52 PM   #505
Yanks
Fleet Captain
 
Yanks's Avatar
 
Location: NX01 Bridge
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

On a brighter note, it looks like we will be getting another baseball team in my neck of the woods.
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/04/grou...-team-va-beach
__________________
We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture.”
- Evolution of the Solar System, NASA 1976, H. Alfvén & G, Arrhenius, p. 257.
Yanks is offline  
Old February 6 2014, 09:53 PM   #506
Tom Hendricks
Commodore
 
Tom Hendricks's Avatar
 
Location: Syracuse NY
View Tom Hendricks's Twitter Profile
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

http://http://nypost.com/2014/02/06/...ead-at-age-91/

My heart is broken, Ralph Kiner has passed away. As a kid growing up as a baseball fan and even more a Mets fan, he was baseball to me. I watched Kiners Corner every week. I'm very melancholy now, I hope the Mets honor him in some kind of spectacular way this season, I will be there when it happens.
__________________
I am a child of the universe. I will walk gently and true

Of course I'm a creationist. I believe man created god.
Tom Hendricks is offline  
Old February 7 2014, 11:46 PM   #507
Timby
GIVE ME YOUR FACE
 
Timby's Avatar
 
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Alex Rodriguez has withdrawn his lawsuits against MLB and the MLBPA. (Note: Because of the particulars in the CBA, in order to sue MLB, Rodriguez had to include the MLBPA in his suit.)

Collusion is a wonderful thing, I guess. (If Alex Rodriguez had signed a mammoth contract with, say, the Royals, does anyone legitimately think that MLB would have gone after him like this?)
Timby is offline  
Old February 8 2014, 11:19 AM   #508
SmoothieX
Vice Admiral
 
SmoothieX's Avatar
 
Location: Massachusetts
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Tom Hendricks wrote: View Post
http://http://nypost.com/2014/02/06/...ead-at-age-91/

My heart is broken, Ralph Kiner has passed away. As a kid growing up as a baseball fan and even more a Mets fan, he was baseball to me. I watched Kiners Corner every week. I'm very melancholy now, I hope the Mets honor him in some kind of spectacular way this season, I will be there when it happens.
Aww crap. I'm on board with you. Grew up in NY and went to a load of Mets game.
SmoothieX is offline  
Old February 8 2014, 04:02 PM   #509
Yanks
Fleet Captain
 
Yanks's Avatar
 
Location: NX01 Bridge
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Timby wrote: View Post
Alex Rodriguez has withdrawn his lawsuits against MLB and the MLBPA. (Note: Because of the particulars in the CBA, in order to sue MLB, Rodriguez had to include the MLBPA in his suit.)

Collusion is a wonderful thing, I guess. (If Alex Rodriguez had signed a mammoth contract with, say, the Royals, does anyone legitimately think that MLB would have gone after him like this?)
Yes.
__________________
We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture.”
- Evolution of the Solar System, NASA 1976, H. Alfvén & G, Arrhenius, p. 257.
Yanks is offline  
Old February 8 2014, 04:04 PM   #510
Yanks
Fleet Captain
 
Yanks's Avatar
 
Location: NX01 Bridge
Re: MLB Offseason 2013-2014

Tom Hendricks wrote: View Post
http://http://nypost.com/2014/02/06/...ead-at-age-91/

My heart is broken, Ralph Kiner has passed away. As a kid growing up as a baseball fan and even more a Mets fan, he was baseball to me. I watched Kiners Corner every week. I'm very melancholy now, I hope the Mets honor him in some kind of spectacular way this season, I will be there when it happens.
I've always thought of him as one of baseballs finest.
__________________
We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture.”
- Evolution of the Solar System, NASA 1976, H. Alfvén & G, Arrhenius, p. 257.
Yanks is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:47 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.