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Old November 3 2013, 04:20 AM   #46
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Re: Weird Thing in "The Naked Time"

It was, and Robert Justman afterwards used to hide it in his office in various stages of undress to scare visitors.
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Old November 3 2013, 04:33 AM   #47
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It was, and Robert Justman afterwards used to hide it in his office in various stages of undress to scare visitors.
Maybe it was the rush of episodic Tv in those days, but everything about the teaser was a misfire---the cold suits that are very ambiguous, the manaquin, Tomorlen's removing the glove and putting on the dead guys head, the odd way the virus gets on his hand.

Add to that everything Tomorlen does is weird---he knows he removed his glove and as soon as Spock said what he did about contamination--he should have said,"Oops, I removed my glove." Episode over.

Then after acting cavalier about the dead guy he seems so distraught about leaving "people to die on freezing planets."

Then Spock says his profile shows a lot of self-doubt and McCoy later says, "that man isn't the kind to give up."

Even as a kid I thought, "but according to what Spock just said---he's EXACTLY the kind of guy to give up!"

They clearly state that the virus brings out peoples inner true feelings and Tomorlen gets suicidal as soon as the virus kicks in and McCoy says it's not in his nature after Spock says it is.

I wonder if they just didn't want to acknowledge what was pretty clear---he had a predisposition for deep depression and suicide.

Maybe they didn't want to show that was still common in the future?
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Old November 3 2013, 11:44 AM   #48
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at the point where he reaches his hand up under the hood to his mouth to warm it with his breath--I knew it wasn't an 'isolation suit' even when I was a kid.
Then you were better than I was. Incidentally, he did not put his hand up to his face to warm it. Tormolen took the glove off in the first place to rub an itchy nose. (How many people take off a winter glove to rub an itchy nose? To me, that further suggested the sort of isolation zones, as practiced in surgery.) Later he sticks his hand up to smell it after the organism leaps onto his hand. We can even hear the sniffing, and he checks both sides of his hand—not merely breathing on the side that touched the frozen console.

But we're agreed that the original intent of the script and the execution are out of synch.

Would the outpost interior be covered with frost? Maybe. It's not stated anywhere that Psi 2000's atmosphere is not breathable. If the station was hermetically sealed, then there might still be frost, as the moisture in the air condensed, but the frost would not have been so heavy... unless steam from some source (such as the shower, where Tormolen found someone fully clothed) added to the humidity in the air.
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Old November 3 2013, 05:04 PM   #49
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Well both suits were wide open in the head/hood area. And it didn't look like they had popped open or come undone----they were simply open.

Heck a simple 1940s surgical mask would have been MORE safe from germs than the open bottomed hood!

By the same token and old fashioned 'muffler' scarf over the mouth would have been better against breathing in the cold air! LOL.

It was just awful in both a practical and story-telling sense. A total fail. Just give them an 'off the rack' parka deal.

And another case where they thought they had to do something 'futuristic' when they didn't.

How much better were the simple sickbay sheets/blankets in WNMHGB than the stupid 'futuristic' whatever that sickbay had after that?

And why do away with the nice landing party jackets from Cage and have the phaser/communicator 'futuristically' stuck by Velcro to the belt?
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Old November 3 2013, 05:32 PM   #50
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Are there any surviving memos or script pages suggesting that the teaser was a rush last-minute rewrite? Perhaps that accounts for some of the inconsistencies. Then again, it's a very early episode (7th produced & 4th released), and they might have had two other shows in development in the rush to get product out the door to meet airdates.
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Old November 3 2013, 09:19 PM   #51
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I think that had the actors worn simple jackets in the "freezing cold" room, the audience would notice that there is no visible exhaled breath coming from the actors. (I doubt the producers would have worked to drop the temperature of the soundstage below freezing in order to make it look more realistic.) I think masking the actors' breaths by use of over-the-head hoods was a necessary evil. Otherwise it would have looked even more like a mid-summer day in Southern California.
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Old November 3 2013, 09:44 PM   #52
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I think that had the actors worn simple jackets in the "freezing cold" room, the audience would notice that there is no visible exhaled breath coming from the actors. (I doubt the producers would have worked to drop the temperature of the soundstage below freezing in order to make it look more realistic.) I think masking the actors' breaths by use of over-the-head hoods was a necessary evil. Otherwise it would have looked even more like a mid-summer day in Southern California.
Good point.

An even better reason to have something like a mask over their mouth with only their eyes exposed.


But then again an open bottomed hood wouldn't have prevented their breath from being visibly exhaled---they'd still be inhaling really cold air and visibly exhaling.
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Old November 3 2013, 09:59 PM   #53
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I think that had the actors worn simple jackets in the "freezing cold" room, the audience would notice that there is no visible exhaled breath coming from the actors. (I doubt the producers would have worked to drop the temperature of the soundstage below freezing in order to make it look more realistic.)
Or build a set and film inside an actual icehouse, like Orson Welles did for the snow sequences in The Magnificent Ambersons.
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Old November 3 2013, 10:26 PM   #54
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I think that had the actors worn simple jackets in the "freezing cold" room, the audience would notice that there is no visible exhaled breath coming from the actors. (I doubt the producers would have worked to drop the temperature of the soundstage below freezing in order to make it look more realistic.)
Or build a set and film inside an actual icehouse, like Orson Welles did for the snow sequences in The Magnificent Ambersons.
That probably would have blown the budget for the entire season.
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Old November 3 2013, 10:50 PM   #55
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I think that had the actors worn simple jackets in the "freezing cold" room, the audience would notice that there is no visible exhaled breath coming from the actors.
I've seen plenty of "cold" scenes in movies with no visible breath, and it never looks out of place. The same goes for day-for-night shooting and other tricks—audiences have come to understand the cinematic shorthands, like blue lighting for moonlight or cold in the same way they understand something as unnatural as cuts and dissolves.

Also... it is not necessary to take an entire movie set down below freezing to get visible breath. The crew working on 2010: THE YEAR WE MAKE CONTACT discovered that humidity is the key (CINEFEX no. 20, p 40). In other words, it is possible to have a bitingly cold real-world situation when breath is not visible because the air is too dry.
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Old November 11 2013, 12:47 AM   #56
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Many films and TV shows have also used the trick of putting a small wire cage with a piece of dry ice in each actor's mouth to simulate a frigid environment. I remember reading production notes for "Conan the Destroyer" where they discussed doing this for the sequence in the ice castle on the lake.
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Old November 11 2013, 12:53 AM   #57
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Many films and TV shows have also used the trick of putting a small wire cage with a piece of dry ice in each actor's mouth to simulate a frigid environment.
That would make dialogue recording on set rather difficult, and all the scenes would have to be looped in post. Probably had to do that on most of Arnold's films anyway.
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Old November 11 2013, 05:10 AM   #58
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Many films and TV shows have also used the trick of putting a small wire cage with a piece of dry ice in each actor's mouth to simulate a frigid environment. I remember reading production notes for "Conan the Destroyer" where they discussed doing this for the sequence in the ice castle on the lake.
AFAIK, the only time that method was tried was during the filming of Frank Capra's Dirigible in 1931 (as described in his autobiography, The Name Above the Title). It wasn't a resounding success.
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You could see their breath in the remake of "The Thing" when they went outside.
For me it was very distracting - I kept wishing they would go in and get out of the cold. In that case I would have preferred them not to be realistic for once in a movie.
They didn't seem to care about the breath thing when they were on Sarpiedon.

Isn't dry-ice dangerous? If you put that on your skin (or touching your mouth) wouldn't it burn?
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Old November 11 2013, 11:24 AM   #60
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Many films and TV shows have also used the trick of putting a small wire cage with a piece of dry ice in each actor's mouth to simulate a frigid environment. I remember reading production notes for "Conan the Destroyer" where they discussed doing this for the sequence in the ice castle on the lake.
I found the Conan story on-line. Maybe it was a scene with no dialog, or used ADR.

Do you have any other documentation on this? I find it very hard to believe, as dry ice can cause burns quickly. Even if isolated by a "cage," dry ice is carbon dioxide. You'd asphyxiate every actor on the set. (I know from experience, catching a breath of dry ice fog while bending down to pick up something on a set. It's not breathable, like mineral oil smoke.)
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