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Old December 4 2013, 10:23 PM   #76
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The way I took it books 2 and 3 were just compressed into book 2.
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Old December 5 2013, 04:05 AM   #77
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Do these two books tell a complete story or is it left hanging and never resolved?
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Old December 5 2013, 04:15 AM   #78
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Do these two books tell a complete story or is it left hanging and never resolved?
They tell a complete story, covering the entire span of the war and the founding of the Federation, though To Brave the Storm condenses the plots of the planned second and third volumes into one, so it probably skims over a lot of stuff that would've been covered in more depth at trilogy length.
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Old December 6 2013, 03:44 AM   #79
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Dude I'm only 100 pages into it spoilers
I apologize. From the way you talked, I thought you meant that you'd finished Book I.
I've edited your post, just in case anyone else comes in who hasn't read recent Trek.

Can everyone please be very careful in this thread with spoilers - since this is a thread specifically about someone who hasn't read the recent books.
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Old December 6 2013, 10:09 AM   #80
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Dude I'm only 100 pages into it spoilers
I apologize. From the way you talked, I thought you meant that you'd finished Book I.
I've edited your post, just in case anyone else comes in who hasn't read recent Trek.

Can everyone please be very careful in this thread with spoilers - since this is a thread specifically about someone who hasn't read the recent books.
Maybe it's time to create that sticky thread to remind everyone of the spoiler guidelines now-a-days.
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Old December 6 2013, 11:28 AM   #81
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As I understand it, Paramount is very restrictive of STAR TREK authors, having its lawyers sending notes on "do this/don't do that" with their stories. When a story is basically "writing itself" and you've got this kind of outside interference, I'm sure it accounts for at least some of the mediocre novels that have been out for a while, already ...
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Old December 6 2013, 01:12 PM   #82
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I apologize. From the way you talked, I thought you meant that you'd finished Book I.
I've edited your post, just in case anyone else comes in who hasn't read recent Trek.

Can everyone please be very careful in this thread with spoilers - since this is a thread specifically about someone who hasn't read the recent books.
Maybe it's time to create that sticky thread to remind everyone of the spoiler guidelines now-a-days.
Yes, it really is.
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Old December 6 2013, 04:36 PM   #83
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As I understand it, Paramount is very restrictive of STAR TREK authors, having its lawyers sending notes on "do this/don't do that" with their stories. When a story is basically "writing itself" and you've got this kind of outside interference, I'm sure it accounts for at least some of the mediocre novels that have been out for a while, already ...
You're quite a few years behind the times there. First off, the company that owns Star Trek is named CBS Corporation now, not Paramount. Second, it's been many, many years since the studio licensing department has imposed such tight control over the tie-ins -- and it was never lawyers who were responsible for that. Back in the late '80s and early '90s, Gene Roddenberry's assistant Richard Arnold became infamous for the rigid restrictions and frequent interference he imposed on the novels, purportedly at Roddenberry's bidding. But Roddenberry died in 1991 and Arnold lost his job the very next day. It was a few more years before the novels began pushing the envelope again, but for about the past 15 years they've been free of pretty much any restrictions beyond the basic obligation of any tie-in work to remain consistent with the canon it's tying into. The folks at CBS have been very supportive and encouraging of our creativity.

The only people in recent years who've been in any way restrictive toward Trek tie-ins have been the folks at Bad Robot, who prefer to maintain close control over the tie-ins to the new movie continuity. That is, of course, their prerogative. But it has no bearing on the tie-ins to the original continuity.
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Old December 6 2013, 06:49 PM   #84
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I would be interested to read those ENT Romulan War books.... assuming they were any good
Most of the reviews, and comments from other readers that I've read seemed to be negative, but I liked them well enough.
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Old December 6 2013, 09:12 PM   #85
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As I understand it, Paramount is very restrictive of STAR TREK authors, having its lawyers sending notes on "do this/don't do that" with their stories. When a story is basically "writing itself" and you've got this kind of outside interference, I'm sure it accounts for at least some of the mediocre novels that have been out for a while, already ...
You're quite a few years behind the times there. First off, the company that owns Star Trek is named CBS Corporation now, not Paramount. Second, it's been many, many years since the studio licensing department has imposed such tight control over the tie-ins -- and it was never lawyers who were responsible for that. Back in the late '80s and early '90s, Gene Roddenberry's assistant Richard Arnold became infamous for the rigid restrictions and frequent interference he imposed on the novels, purportedly at Roddenberry's bidding. But Roddenberry died in 1991 and Arnold lost his job the very next day. It was a few more years before the novels began pushing the envelope again, but for about the past 15 years they've been free of pretty much any restrictions beyond the basic obligation of any tie-in work to remain consistent with the canon it's tying into. The folks at CBS have been very supportive and encouraging of our creativity.

The only people in recent years who've been in any way restrictive toward Trek tie-ins have been the folks at Bad Robot, who prefer to maintain close control over the tie-ins to the new movie continuity. That is, of course, their prerogative. But it has no bearing on the tie-ins to the original continuity.
What Christopher said. The good folks at CBS are nowhere near as controlling as was suggested, providing you don't do something ridiculous and reveal that Chekov is secretly a werewolf or whatever.

A peek behind-the-scenes: CBS's comments on my most recent book, due out in February, mostly amounted to "tone down Scotty's dialect" which, to be honest, I had probably gone a little overboard on. ("Aye, there's a wee lassie" and so forth.)

Which was not exactly the work of a gaggle of lawyers--and probably a good call!
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Old December 6 2013, 09:51 PM   #86
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^ Indeed. I received exactly nine notes from CBS regarding the manuscript for A Ceremony of Losses. All were relatively minor; I dealt with all of them in roughly 15 minutes and sent the revised manuscript back to my editor.
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Old December 6 2013, 10:15 PM   #87
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I got exactly three notes from CBS for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel, and they were all just fairly minor questions/suggestions about word choices -- only one of which actually led to a change in the text, since I was able to justify the other two. So really, the "outside interference" led to exactly one short line of dialogue being rephrased, which is nothing compared to the changes made in the normal revision process.
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Old December 6 2013, 10:16 PM   #88
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More: By coincidence, I actually got back notes on another outline last night, which were very minor and, again, mostly along the lines of "don't get carried away" with this one thing.

Which is fine. My instinct is always to milk every moment for maximum drama or humor, so I appreciate being told when to dial it down a notch. (Like an occasionally hammy actor who needs a director to rein them in sometimes.) It actually gives me the freedom to go nuts and not censor myself, since I know I can count on reliable feedback later down the road.

In short, having another pair of qualified eyes weigh in on the outlines and manuscript is not some sort of oppressive, creativity-destroying restriction. It's a valuable part of the process . . . .
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Old December 6 2013, 10:34 PM   #89
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providing you don't do something ridiculous and reveal that Chekov is secretly a werewolf or whatever.
He is then, and you are just not allowed to reveal it.

I get it
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Old December 7 2013, 02:00 AM   #90
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I got exactly three notes from CBS for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel, and they were all just fairly minor questions/suggestions about word choices -- only one of which actually led to a change in the text, since I was able to justify the other two. So really, the "outside interference" led to exactly one short line of dialogue being rephrased, which is nothing compared to the changes made in the normal revision process.
Heck, I asked you for more revisions on your original novel!
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