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Old January 22 2014, 11:56 AM   #136
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Re: The Past Decade of Trek Lit

I'm thinking of reading Death in Winter and onwards, although I haven't fully watched TNG yet. I'm very familiar with the main characters and the general plot, would I be at a disadvantage to just start reading if I haven't seen the whole series? And would you guys recommend Destiny? I've heard awesome things about it.
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Old January 22 2014, 01:40 PM   #137
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Destiny was an amazing ultimate Trek apocalypse story and a definite high point. I read that first before anything else though and it was confusing because there's like 30 characters in it and most of them were new to me.

When I went back I started with the last three books of the "Time To" series and they were all excellent and very important to the TNG mythos.
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Old January 22 2014, 02:31 PM   #138
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I do think that if you want to get back into the Trek lit world then the reading order from Trawn and The Trek Collective is the way to find your way back in. You can also check out Literary Treks, we talk about the books and comics as well as interview authors.

I think, personally, the best place to start is the "A Time To..." series and continue on from there. It just sets up so much of the 24th century, then you can branch off into Titan (since it seems like you have read most of the DS9r.)
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Old January 23 2014, 02:12 AM   #139
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I'm thinking of reading Death in Winter and onwards, although I haven't fully watched TNG yet. I'm very familiar with the main characters and the general plot, would I be at a disadvantage to just start reading if I haven't seen the whole series? And would you guys recommend Destiny? I've heard awesome things about it.
I would at least recommend watching the movies first since they are closer chronologically to the books, and DiW and a lot of the books that came out around it follow up on the events in the last TNG movie, Nemesis.
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Old January 26 2014, 10:23 PM   #140
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I've been reading a lot lately...

"Articles of the Federation": Star Trek does West Wing. Despite not featuring any action or Starfleet ships it was entertaining and I liked it. Looking back on it, this really was just like the 1990s esque West Wing in that it depicted a brief peaceful and prosperous time in history right between the end of a major war (Cold War / Dominion War) and a vast tragedy that would erase that nativity (9-11 / Borg War). I can't even imagine how much extra work KRAD had to do for this book, inventing vast casts of political characters and back story and forms of government

Minor nit: I found no purpose to scenes where random characters watch newscasts. The newscasts themselves were important, but not the people watching them. I suppose it was to sell the average being's POV in the Federation, but I just found it unnecessary.

"Q&A": the 'ultimate' Q story. I really loved how it tied together every single Q appearance on the tv shows and showed that he had a master plan all along for the good of humanity. I much prefer actually serious Q to goofy for no reason Q.

I have to admit that I found the ending to be very anti-climactic though. The entire purpose of every Q appearance was to prepare humanity/Picard for this confrontation with these god-like beings who will destroy the universe... but it's all just over so fast and there's no larger consequences to the story. Picard basically walked into a white room and laughed and that was the entire story. I'm not sure exactly what more I would have done but it just really needed something MORE to sell the importance of this story.

I just started "Singular Destiny".... no opinion yet
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Old January 27 2014, 02:03 AM   #141
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Thank you very much for the thoughtful comments. I look forward to your thoughts on ASD....
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Old January 27 2014, 02:09 AM   #142
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Another thing that really pops out at me. I'm not sure if its only your books, KRAD, or the others as well, they're blurring together since I'm reading them all in a row like this, but I find the constant use of the phrase "Dominion War" to be odd.

People wouldn't refer to it as the Dominion War they would call it "the war". And surely any Trek reader would know that the war is the DW because it was the only actual war to take place in modern Trek continuity.

That said, I do love that the TNG novels are fundamentally tied to the Dominion War in so many ways!
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Old January 27 2014, 07:29 PM   #143
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Minor nit: I found no purpose to scenes where random characters watch newscasts. The newscasts themselves were important, but not the people watching them. I suppose it was to sell the average being's POV in the Federation, but I just found it unnecessary.
I'd just like to chime in and point out that the Federation is a democracy, so it makes sense for a book about Federation politics to also depict the reactions of the average Federate to current events.
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Old January 27 2014, 07:44 PM   #144
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Another thing that really pops out at me. I'm not sure if its only your books, KRAD, or the others as well, they're blurring together since I'm reading them all in a row like this, but I find the constant use of the phrase "Dominion War" to be odd.

People wouldn't refer to it as the Dominion War they would call it "the war". And surely any Trek reader would know that the war is the DW because it was the only actual war to take place in modern Trek continuity.
I don't know if this is necessarily true. You constantly here references to the Iraq War or the War in Iraq contemporary to it actually happening. Now that might be to distinguish it from the one in Afghanistan, or the one on Terrorism, or the one on Drugs, but not necessarily. People call things by whatever nomenclature it takes up in popular speech. There's no inherent reason why the Dominion War wouldn't popularly be referred to as the Dominion War.
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Old January 27 2014, 07:53 PM   #145
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Minor nit: I found no purpose to scenes where random characters watch newscasts. The newscasts themselves were important, but not the people watching them. I suppose it was to sell the average being's POV in the Federation, but I just found it unnecessary.
I feel the opposite. Those scenes felt like a window into the lives of people all over the federation. Felt apt.
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Old January 27 2014, 11:55 PM   #146
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Yes but for the Federation there was only one huge massive war in the recent years. It was their World War Two. People after WWII didn't talk about "pre-World War Two levels" they talked about "pre-war levels".
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Old January 28 2014, 02:41 AM   #147
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Sure, but after World War I, they referred to it, not as the war, but as the Great War. My only point is while it's possible they would refer to the Dominion War as the war, there's no absolute reason they would, it's just as likely they might refer to it as the Dominion War.
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Old January 28 2014, 05:22 AM   #148
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Yes but for the Federation there was only one huge massive war in the recent years. It was their World War Two. People after WWII didn't talk about "pre-World War Two levels" they talked about "pre-war levels".
For the Federation as a whole, that is true. But the Federation is huge, and has fought several wars over the past thirty years. It spent most of the 2350s fighting smaller-scale wars with the Cardassians, Tzenkethi, and Talarians. The war with the Cardassians only ended in 2367, and then it found itself at war with the Klingon Empire from 2372 to 2373. (And then of course, it fought the Dominion War from 2373-2375; and then it fought a brief war with the Tholian-Selelvian alliance in 2376, resumed cold war hostilities with the Romulan Star Empire from 2376 to 2379, invaded and occupied the independent planet of Tezwa against insurgents in 2379, and then found itself invaded by the Borg in 2381.) Any number of these conflicts could have been thought of as "the war" to people in the star systems affected by them.

So it actually makes perfect sense that there would be a tendency to use specific labels for specific conflicts. The Federation is so large that if you just say "the war," someone from another sector might not know which war you're talking about, if that war never touched their sector.
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Old February 1 2014, 10:38 PM   #149
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I enjoyed "Singular Destiny", it was a good palate cleanser between an apocalyptic war and the next big storyline. We absolutely needed a story focused on the cleanup and aftermath of such a tragedy before going onto the next threat o' the month.

I do wish it had been told more from President Bacco's perspective though. The Vulcan history professor was an interesting character.

I knew that the next series was called "Typhon Pact" but I had no idea what it was, so that part was a big surprise for me. I think it's a great idea. Having taken out all the major baddies at this point, having all the little fish team up together makes perfect sense.

If I haven't said this already, I'm absolutely loving how these books are telling a single continuing narrative with major consequences for the Alpha Quadrant, rather than a random planet/villain of the month. TNG was always way too standalone for my tastes, and this is a very welcome change.
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Old February 2 2014, 12:35 AM   #150
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There are a couple of imperfect entries, but by and large that feeling stays strong for the next whole four years worth of novels. It's a strong run.
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