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Old November 30 2013, 12:03 AM   #316
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

I suppose I will be forced to watch it again someday when doing an ENT watch with someone younger and more innocent than myself.. but I won't be happy.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:09 AM   #317
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

Or you could use it as a teaching moment.

As the first step in making sure that no one ever watches it again.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:20 AM   #318
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

Oh believe me I will be. I have warned everyone I knew who was watching ENT for the first time that a horrible thing was about to happen.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:32 AM   #319
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

That's true. ENT's finale was pretty bad too, and also seemed unnecessarily so. I don't think there was malice there, at least because tptb seemed to like Trip, but it was full of bad decisions, like including Troi and Riker. I love those characters, but that wasn't a story where there were used well. It wasn't their story. That one I genuinely do believe was just well intended mistakes.
Have you guys read any of the Enterprise novels that follow up from the finale? I've read two, plus one by the same authors that's set before the finale but works very well as part of a series, setting up the novel relaunch, that goes a long, long way toward setting right some of the mistakes of the finale.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:32 AM   #320
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

But are you going to Orwell it?

Moreso than not showing them the last episode, you don't have to tell them that it exists.

"No, Terra Prime is the last one, no more, nothing to see from here."

Honesty is for suckers.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:36 AM   #321
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

Actually I was thinking of that. Maybe just not tell them. Terra Prime, this is the finale! But I would be watching TOS and VOY first so that might be prep enough to deal with Star Trek being fallible.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:45 AM   #322
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Ha! That's pretty funny to hide the existance of the ENT finale.
I've done something a little similar. I'm also a big Dark Shadows fan. My niece really likes it and has seen some of it, but it's a huge series - like over 1500 eps I think, and she hasn't had time to watch it all and wanted me to tell her spoilers for the series, and I deliberately excluded a very needless death of one of the characters, figuring I was doing her a kindness, so she can live in a world where that didn't happen. And if she ever does watch more of the series, I figure she should have some surprises.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:48 AM   #323
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That's true. ENT's finale was pretty bad too, and also seemed unnecessarily so. I don't think there was malice there, at least because tptb seemed to like Trip, but it was full of bad decisions, like including Troi and Riker. I love those characters, but that wasn't a story where there were used well. It wasn't their story. That one I genuinely do believe was just well intended mistakes.
Have you guys read any of the Enterprise novels that follow up from the finale? I've read two, plus one by the same authors that's set before the finale but works very well as part of a series, setting up the novel relaunch, that goes a long, long way toward setting right some of the mistakes of the finale.
Berman had been kicked off the set, Braga wasn't that present either. For some reason, after neglecting the show or a year, having probablyy not watched any of Many Coto's season, they found an old unused season 2 script, polished it a little and pretended that they were welcome as they reversed everything to n one's benefit.
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Old November 30 2013, 12:51 AM   #324
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Actually I was thinking of that. Maybe just not tell them. Terra Prime, this is the finale! But I would be watching TOS and VOY first so that might be prep enough to deal with Star Trek being fallible.
Where do you find all these initiates?

Is this how you get people to come back to your place from the singles bar?

"I have season 6 of Voyager on DVD, you haven't seen Life Line until you've seen Life Line with the Writers commentary from Picardo... Rrrrrrgggr."
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Old November 30 2013, 12:54 AM   #325
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

This youngest one I have actually bred with my own body. This is the best way to insure the continuance of Star Trek because they are susceptible to liking stuff more when allowed to stay up late and provided with quality snacks.

Otherwise I've had a boost up via JJ, having spread a lot of Trek around with folk who got initiated that way.
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Old November 30 2013, 01:10 AM   #326
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A spread via jj?

Now who is trying to subliminally XXX this forum?
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Old November 30 2013, 01:11 AM   #327
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THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY GOAL
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Old November 30 2013, 07:37 PM   #328
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

I must admit that I gave up "ENT" after just a few episodes. Partly because I found most of the characters a bit lame and uninteresting and I didn't like how established Trek history was screwed up. But most of all because I was sick and tired of Berman, Braga and the others after the last seasons of Voyager and because I was strongly against a retro show. I found it a step in the wrong direction.

Maybe I'll watch the whole series in the future but now I'm going through DS9, a series which I didn't have the opportunity to watch all seasons of, due to stupid policy of the local company which aired it where I live. Therefore I've only watched season 1 and some occasional episodes of the other seasons. I've re-watched season 1 now and will continue with the rest of them.

Seems that I'm still living in the 24th century!
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Old November 30 2013, 08:11 PM   #329
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The last couple of seasons of DS9 were pulled from my area too and it was years until I finally got to see them on DVD.
I can understand the issues with ENT, but I think it gets better as it goes along, especially the last season. With the series coming out on blu ray, there's that option and probably cheap used DVD sets to be had if you reconsider checking it out. With new Trek only coming out as movies with years apart, at least as far as tv and movies, it's nice that you still have a lot of episodes that will be new to you.
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Old December 1 2013, 04:11 AM   #330
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No matter how bad the lunatic fringe got, getting back to them by destroying Kes was petty and mean spirited. For what it's worth even though I was a devoted Voyager fan, never missed an episode, read all the novels, etc I wasn't involved with any kind of organized fandom so I didn't even know there was a letter writing campaign.
Sadly, maybe you just drew the short straw and fell in love with the wrong character.
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