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Old November 25 2013, 07:25 AM   #211
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

What hermaphrodite?
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Old November 25 2013, 07:26 AM   #212
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I assume that Zimmerman was such an egomaniac that he made sure all his avatars were straight. It at least explains why a hologram was apparently mimicing the orientation of a heterosexual male.
Barclay wrote the interpersonal subroutines.

He's over compensating for everything.

Gay or straight, the Doctor is ridiculously camp.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:26 AM   #213
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I assume that Zimmerman was such an egomaniac that he made sure all his avatars were straight. It at least explains why a hologram was apparently mimicing the orientation of a heterosexual male.
If he was mimicking someone gay, should he have flamboyant hand gestures and speak with a lisp?
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Old November 25 2013, 07:28 AM   #214
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In case you don't get that reference, Peter David's New Frontier series had a hermaphrodite chief engineer (from the cover art s/he looked like Bowie) who had a friends with benefits relationship with a human male ship's navigator, and a very steamy and dysfunctional and fun romance with Selar, the Vulcan doctor from TNG who was the chief medical officer of their ship, the Excaliber. I'm a massive fan of the New Frontier series.
I did think it funny that the most feminine Seven ever was, was when the Doctor possesed her. Jeri Ryan was brilliant there, really showed more range than I realized she had.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:31 AM   #215
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I tried to read the NF, read about half of the first book. Does it get markedly better? Because you are intriguing me here.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:31 AM   #216
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What hermaphrodite?
You haven't read New Frontier?

Shelby, Lefler and Selar!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s#Burgoyne_172
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Old November 25 2013, 07:32 AM   #217
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No

And I've give my NF away following an aborted attempt to read it.

Someone, convert me.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:34 AM   #218
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I'd say it gets better, but Peter also stops writing individual books. Each novel just runs into one another with huge massive stories. It's an oon going story and no one else touches the property... Apart form a couple anthology specials.

Selar's brother is gay and they totally explain what pon far for gays means.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:34 AM   #219
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I love New Frontier. It's a lot of fun, and very queer. Selar and Burgoyne are a really great couple. I'm a big fan of Peter David.
There's also a kick ass lesbian T'Prynne who's a lead character in the Vanguard series, which is also really good. She has issues resulting from a past pon farr and her unwanted fiancee, and she does get a girlfriend, and there's a big twist there. There's some pretty steamy lesbian love scenes in that series. Vanguard does establish that lesbians go thru pon farr and that there are hot lesbian Vulcans.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:35 AM   #220
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No

And I've give my NF away following an aborted attempt to read it.

Someone, convert me.
Don't worry, I never read them either........and I used to publish them.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:43 AM   #221
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When I tried reading it I felt like Calhoun was some wannabe from a Frazetta painting. But that was years ago, maybe I would like him now.. you have to buy the first four on kindle, can't buy just the first.

I wonder, maybe I have a copy of the first lying around, I know I gave my hardback of the first four away.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:47 AM   #222
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That must be like the apocryphal bouncer or a bartender working in a boobie bar who is bored of boobs?

The truly remarkable effort on Pete's part is the redemption of Edward Jellico.
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Old November 25 2013, 07:49 AM   #223
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When I tried reading it I felt like Calhoun was some wannabe from a Frazetta painting. But that was years ago, maybe I would like him now.. you have to buy the first four on kindle, can't buy just the first.

I wonder, maybe I have a copy of the first lying around, I know I gave my hardback of the first four away.
To trick people into buying the series, they took the the first novels and cleaved it into four tiny "booklets".
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Old November 25 2013, 07:49 AM   #224
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I think if I approach it this time as Star Trek meets Frazetta I might be good.
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Old November 25 2013, 01:48 PM   #225
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Yeah the first four mini books are really just one book. I think Calhoun had a great personality. He can be so contrary and arrogant, but also romantic, then infuriating. He keeps you on your toes.
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