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Old October 21 2013, 06:27 PM   #1
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Fans of the Star Wars Expanded Universe

To any fans of the Star Wars EU, how do you feel about the distinct possibility that the upcoming sequel trilogy will negate decades' worth of stories that have been accepted as canonical by so many people?
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Old October 21 2013, 06:45 PM   #2
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Re: Fans of the Star Wars Expanded Universe

As I finally gave up on the EU during the Vong war, I can't say I'm very bothered.

There's still a chance that much of the pre ROTJ EU will still be O.K., and to be honest, a new post ROTJ continuity just might attract me back.

I'm cautiously optimistic, even slightly excited...
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Old October 21 2013, 06:54 PM   #3
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I don't care much. The books and comics I've enjoyed off and on since 1991 will still be there.

Sort of like what JJ did with Star Trek. All the stuff I liked about Star Trek before 2009 is still there....

And "canon" isn't important, whatever the show (or novels) is.
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Old October 21 2013, 06:55 PM   #4
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To any fans of the Star Wars EU, how do you feel about the distinct possibility that the upcoming sequel trilogy will negate decades' worth of stories that have been accepted as canonical by so many people?
Hmm, I'm of 2 minds really. I can understand that any screenwriter is hardly going to restrict what they write about to ensure it doesn't cause any problems with books written for a small audience. However there has been some good books written amongst a lot of okay books or bah what have I read books...

I've got a massive collection of them, and of the post ROTJ only a few stand out such as X Wing Books and the Thrawn Trilogy. The rest?

But also I don't read much of it nowadays, too busy reading fan fiction...
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Old October 21 2013, 07:01 PM   #5
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To any fans of the Star Wars EU, how do you feel about the distinct possibility that the upcoming sequel trilogy will negate decades' worth of stories that have been accepted as canonical by so many people?
To me, the books count over any movie. Hopefully, even if the movies decide to ignore them, they'll be treated like the Star Trek books, where the universe in the books are allowed to continue regardless of what the movies do to the franchise. As long as that happens, I don't care what Abrams does to the Star Wars movies. Regardless, even when Lucas would ignore the books, I still took the books over his stuff. The Clone Wars say mandolorians became space hippies. My favorite Star Wars books (and possibly my favorite books ever), the Republic Commando series, say they've always been warriors. I take the RC series over the ramblings of idiots who write a horrible TV show. In the same way, if the books don't get effected by abrams, and I'm pretty sure they won't (if they've made enough money to go for decades, I doubt they'll be forced to follow JJ Abrams stuff and potentially fail as a book line), Abrams movies can make Han have a relationship with Chewie instead of Leia for all I care.

To me, without the EU Star Wars is just a sci fi series with 3 good movies, one ok movie and two horrible movies. It wouldn't be in my top 5 sci fi franchises, much mess competing with Star Trek for the top spot, without the EU, which to me is what makes SW great, and is where I get my main enjoyment from the franchise.
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Old October 21 2013, 07:10 PM   #6
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I'm into the comics rather than the novels, and the titles I've followed have either been set during the prequel trilogy (Republic), or long before the movies (Dawn of the Jedi), or long afterward (Legacy).

I was mildly concerned that Legacy might have to abruptly end due to possible contradiction of stuff presented in the new movies, but not so much anymore. The worst-case scenario would be simply Legacy wrapping up it storyline and coming to an end (which it did once before anyway).
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Old October 21 2013, 07:13 PM   #7
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But a Trek situation where the novelverse continues is VERY unlikely. Tie-ins HAVE TO reflect the continuity of the franchise - Trek gets a pass due to JJ deliberately leaving the prime Trekverse in its own timeline. If he hadn't the Treklit novelverse would have ceased to exist / restarted.

The Star Wars EU will not get that break. It will just fall out of continuity and start again - at best you can hope for a reset novel where something happens in the EU after Fate of the Jedi that takes the story back to the death of the Emperor...
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Old October 21 2013, 07:26 PM   #8
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I don’t see how its unlikely. The EU has been around for too long, and made too much money, for it to just get rebooted. They’re not going to risk losing an entire book line just to make it fit with JJ Wars. Tie ins don’t traditionally count as continuity anyway. Star Wars was one of the most noticeable that I know of to start counting them. At worst, they’ll say the books are their own continuity. They may not care about hardcore fans with movies/TV, because they’re going for the mainstream audience and not just fans, but things like books and comics make money because of hardcore fans. Because of that, they can’t just screw around with them like they can film and TV. Its why JJ Trek hasn’t eliminated the Star Trek novels, and its why JJ Wars won’t upset the EU. Even if hardcore fans like JJ Wars, they’re not going to want to see the EU go away, so it won’t. If they piss off EU fans by rebooting, the books will almost certainly sell less, and they’ll lose money. They may not care about the EU, but they like money. They won’t anger fans in an area where they really need them to make money.
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Old October 21 2013, 08:51 PM   #9
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The novel revenue is tiny compared to what the next five or six movies will make. They have no need to worry about the old EU - they've already sold those books. This has already happened with novels invalidated by the Clone Wars TV show - ongoing stories were abandoned.

Casual buyers will expect new novels to tie in with the new movies. The tie-in licences state that any novels MUST tie into current continuity. There is simply no allowances made. We have pro tie-in authors on this site - ask them if you don't believe me.

And yes, I get why you would have a problem with that. I'd have felt the same if it had happened with Trek...
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Old October 21 2013, 09:20 PM   #10
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I don't think we should just assume the new movies won't be able to fit with the EU continuity. Let's wait and see what they do before making any judgements.
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Old October 21 2013, 09:40 PM   #11
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I haven't kept up with SW EU for some years (just not enough time), but it always seem silly to me when movie makers ignore the goldmine of stories just ripe for the plucking. I'm hoping they at least try to tie in some novel events, or at least slot the movie stories in some "in between" time period that the novels never touched.
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Old October 21 2013, 10:34 PM   #12
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Most of the material put out by Del Rey is frankly appalling and seem to resort to cliches and character deaths to sell books instead of actually building up the shared universe. In contrast a lot of the new material from the video games and comics have been exceptional and really would be a tragedy for them to undo it.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:42 AM   #13
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I am a huge EU fan and I've enjoyed all of it a great deal, but I have no problem with them tossing it all out the window.

Obviously only about 1% of the movie going audience is going to even know the EU exists, and too much of the EU is based on pre-Prequel assumptions. So while I enjoyed the tale a great deal, I'm really excited to see an alternate and more main-stream take on the future, one where Dark Side villains will be the prominent foe.

And I seriously doubt that they'll continue to do the old EU continuity. If they killed Anakin Solo to prevent reader confusion with Anakin Skywalker... do you really think they'll allow two simultaneous and contradictory continuities being published?
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Old October 22 2013, 12:44 AM   #14
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Casual buyers will expect new novels to tie in with the new movies. The tie-in licences state that any novels MUST tie into current continuity. There is simply no allowances made. We have pro tie-in authors on this site - ask them if you don't believe me.
There have been non canon star wars stories before (mostly comics, but still). These are the same franchise, its not like they're specific movie tie ins. There is no way years of continuity is getting thrown away because JJ Abrams wants to destroy Star Wars. We'll be getting in continuity EU novels years from now, regardless of what Abrams does. No non hardcore fan buys Star Wars books, or if they do its probably in the singlke digits, percentage wise. It may just be a little money, but the current EU is profitable. Its not going anywhere.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:55 AM   #15
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There is no way years of continuity is getting thrown away because JJ Abrams wants to destroy Star Wars.
... No, there aren't enough Roll Eyes in the Universe for that sentence.
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