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Old October 23 2013, 07:23 PM   #31
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Re: 50th anniversary being sold short

I LOVE the teaser, but thats what it is - a teaser!

I am annoyed, of course, on the lack of a trailer by this point, but I don't really care after today - I may give it a go if its released until November 1st, but after that I'll just wait for the actual special itself. Whats the point of being spoiled 13 days before seeing it, when it should've been shown MONTHS ago?
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Old October 23 2013, 08:26 PM   #32
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The trailer we got did a better job than any trailer showing actual footage could.
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Old October 25 2013, 11:54 PM   #33
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I suppose I understand why it might be better to just focus on 3 Doctors rather than try to cram them all in. But what bothers me is that it's so heavily focused on the new series.

I think it would have been interesting to see the contrast between Matt Smith & the 1st Doctor (played by David Bradley). It might have even helped to acclimate the new fans to the idea of an older Doctor.

I like David Tennant just fine. But the more I think about it, I think my big problem with it is that he's the immediately preceeding Doctor. If the special were pairing up the 9th & 11th Doctors or the 10th & 12th Doctors, I think I'd have an easier time processing it. But 10th & 11th just feels too soon.

And, unless we're all very much mistaken, why are they creating this fake John Hurt Doctor when they've got a perfectly good and criminally underused Paul McGann?!?! McGann has even shown us numerous times in the audios that he can do a great dark Doctor. (Seriously, listen to "The Natural History of Fear" if you haven't already. It's phenomenal.)

Now, I do have faith in Moffat, to a degree anyway. Maybe the special will hit exactly the right tone as far as honoring the show's past without resorting to excessive cameos. But by not including some prior actors, he's certainly giving himself very little wiggle-room as far as many fans are concerned.

But then, Moffat is an old-time fanboy himself, so at least we've got that on our side.
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Old October 26 2013, 12:45 AM   #34
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Yeah Tennant was a fairly recent Doctor, but I still find myself really excited to see him again for some reason. And like it or not, he is one of the most beloved Doctors EVER, at least to the general audience. So it's not surprising at all that they'd want to bring him back.

And with all due respect to McGann, he's no John Hurt. Plus I think there's something much more interesting about a Mystery Doctor we've never seen before, than a Doctor from the past who simply went through a dark and moody period.
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Old October 26 2013, 11:11 AM   #35
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Yeah, Tennant is the most popular doctor now (although older fans still love Tom Baker).

But at the end of the day, I'd rather have McGann or Eccleston than Hurt. Hurt is a good actor, but he was never a proper doctor. I'd much rather have McGann, Eccleston, or even both to John Hurt.
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Old October 27 2013, 09:34 PM   #36
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Whats the point of being spoiled 13 days before seeing it, when it should've been shown MONTHS ago?
Should've? By whose reckoning? Isn't it better to wait and see the whole thing completely unspoiled?

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I suppose I understand why it might be better to just focus on 3 Doctors rather than try to cram them all in. But what bothers me is that it's so heavily focused on the new series.
We don't know that.

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And, unless we're all very much mistaken, why are they creating this fake John Hurt Doctor when they've got a perfectly good and criminally underused Paul McGann?!?! McGann has even shown us numerous times in the audios that he can do a great dark Doctor. (Seriously, listen to "The Natural History of Fear" if you haven't already. It's phenomenal.)
Again, perhaps there'll be an answer for that? What if the Hurt Doctor turns out to be villainous, in a Valeyard way? Would you be happy if they'd turned the eighth Doctor into a villain?
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Old October 28 2013, 04:19 AM   #37
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Its not a 50th Anniversary, its a 8th Anniversary featuring a made up doctor and 10th an 11th doctor. You want your true classic doctors , then go get the Light and the End. That's the last new stuff you get cause anything you might get from Moffat is what we got in The Name of The Doctor.

Moffat made it pretty clear that this is about Hurt, Tennant an Smith and that's it.

Now why couldn't Moffat gone and wrote this for another special and gave us fans a real 50th special I don't know. To think we wont ever see the classic doctors ever on film again playin their roles is shame.

But Moffat has his 2 buddies Smith an Tennant in it and that is all he cares about.
Maybe when we get a different show runner we can maybe then get a cross over with the classic doctors.

Honestly those whom say the actors are too old, don't look like themselves anymore etc, so freaking what, its the 50th Anniversary for heavens sake, not a run of the mill episode. 100 yrs from now they will look back to the 50th and wonder, how stupid was the BBC to exclude all those former living doctors just so Moffat can have his buddies.
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Old October 28 2013, 05:11 AM   #38
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Now why couldn't Moffat gone and wrote this for another special and gave us fans a real 50th special I don't know.
I'm a fan and I'm getting a real 50th special. Please don't presume to speak for everyone.
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Old October 28 2013, 10:02 AM   #39
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Now why couldn't Moffat gone and wrote this for another special and gave us fans a real 50th special I don't know.
I'm a fan and I'm getting a real 50th special. Please don't presume to speak for everyone.


As for trailers, I think the BBC have actually started trailing DOTD earlier than any other show!!
Hell Ripper Street is back on tonight, and the first trailer I saw for that was Saturday!
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Old October 28 2013, 10:32 AM   #40
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Its not a 50th Anniversary, its a 8th Anniversary featuring a made up doctor and 10th an 11th doctor. You want your true classic doctors , then go get the Light and the End. That's the last new stuff you get cause anything you might get from Moffat is what we got in The Name of The Doctor.

Moffat made it pretty clear that this is about Hurt, Tennant an Smith and that's it.

Now why couldn't Moffat gone and wrote this for another special and gave us fans a real 50th special I don't know. To think we wont ever see the classic doctors ever on film again playin their roles is shame.

But Moffat has his 2 buddies Smith an Tennant in it and that is all he cares about.
Maybe when we get a different show runner we can maybe then get a cross over with the classic doctors.

Honestly those whom say the actors are too old, don't look like themselves anymore etc, so freaking what, its the 50th Anniversary for heavens sake, not a run of the mill episode. 100 yrs from now they will look back to the 50th and wonder, how stupid was the BBC to exclude all those former living doctors just so Moffat can have his buddies.
The plot and cast of the 50th Anniversary Special have been much debated by Whovians worldwide. However, Moffat was less keen to reveal details about the true content of the show, beyond that fan favourites David Tennant and Billie Piper were known to be returning. He said,

“Well, do you know, all I've ever revealed about what we’re doing in Doctor Who is anything that we've filmed outside, so I'm rather reticent about what’s actually in there. I notice people are making up stuff about who or what is or is not in that special, You’re just going to have to wait until November to find out the truth.”

He also refused to be drawn on which of the rumours about the show were closest to the mark and which caused him the most amusement. He warned about jumping to conclusions too early.

“Most of them are quite fanciful and some are entertainingly angry,” he said, “People who make up their own theories about what is or is not in the special and then make a YouTube film about how angry they are about their own theory... Oh, I love you all, Doctor Who fans, but now and then don’t believe everything you hear or don’t hear.”
- Steven Moffat, here.
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Old October 28 2013, 01:35 PM   #41
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“The absolute reality was we didn’t have all those Doctors about to come back through the door. There were limitations to who we could get back.

“They’re all brilliant, they’re all terrific, but time has passed. I think it would be beyond the dignity of all those very fine actors to want to force themselves back into a costume from 20 or 30 years ago."
-Steven Moffat, here.
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Old October 28 2013, 02:42 PM   #42
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how stupid was the BBC to exclude all those former living doctors just so Moffat can have his buddies.
If Moffat really were being selfish and just wanted to "hang out with his buddies" than I'm pretty sure he would have tried to find a way to bring Peter Davison into it. After all, Davison is Moffat's favourite Doctor and his "buddy's" father-in-law.
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Old October 28 2013, 02:52 PM   #43
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Shush, don't let facts and reason get in the way of the insane screaming!!
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Old October 28 2013, 03:18 PM   #44
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What Moffat says certainly applies to Doctors 4-7, but I don't think this really applies to Paul McGann. He hasn't aged badly/detrimentally at all, and I think if they wanted him in there he would've delivered. To put it this way - he's way more reminiscent of his first appearence today, than Davison was comparively when Time Crash was made.
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Old October 28 2013, 03:47 PM   #45
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I think the difference is that Peter Davison was the Doctor for 3 years, Tom for 7, Sylvester for 3 and Colin for 2 years…meanwhile McGann was the Doctor for about an hour. The majority of the viewing public would probably have to be reminded he even was the Doctor. Putting aside the fans who pod out to Big Finish to hear the 8th Doctor audios (and frankly I think it’s perfectly acceptable to consider yourself a fan of the show without hearing a single audio) then I think the majority of the viewing public who have a clue who any of these older actors are will probably be more excited that John Hurt is showing up as a previously unknown Doctor (always assuming he is the Doctor) than that bloke from Withnail and I and the Monocled Mutineer is showing up as a might as well be previously unknown Doctor.
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