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View Poll Results: Rate A Ceremony of Losses.
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Old November 1 2013, 01:20 PM   #76
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Just finished this last night! So far the Fall has been my favorite crossover series. I really like how the political tension is growing with each novel. I also like that it isn't afraid to focus on characters, despite being a crossover.

Bashir is still not really a favorite of mine, but at least he's found something to stand for. Ezri continues to prove she deserves to be in the captain's chair. The side characters were wonderful too. Kedair has been one of my favorites since Destiny, and she always seems to find a way to do something badass.

My only complaint about the book is that I would have liked a little more interconnectivity with the others. I know each book is being billed as a 'stand alone'...but they're not really stand alone. So you might as well throw in some bits here and there. Seeing DS9 with no mention of the wormhole or the guy that popped out makes it seem like it was completely inconsequential. I would have liked to have heard snippets of what was going on in Cardassia from the other side of things.

Overall though, I enjoyed it, and I look forward to picking up the next one.
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Old November 1 2013, 05:59 PM   #77
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I'm guessing Bashir is going to go rogue and join 31 in exchange for help with the Andorian crisis.
Ironic that they want Bashir to join Section 31, considering that one of their own (former) operatives described him as a dangerous man that would destroy the Federation if given a chance.
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Old November 1 2013, 06:24 PM   #78
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I'll admit, I still don't really understand why Section 31 wants Bashir so badly. He seems like he'd be a walking liability. They have other genetically enhanced individuals on call- what makes Bashir worth all the extra effort?
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Old November 1 2013, 06:51 PM   #79
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Found a copy yesterday and am about 100 pages in. Since no one else has mentioned the "Lost" reference, I will. There's a "Lost" reference.
Yeah, that made me laugh.
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Old November 1 2013, 08:26 PM   #80
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Just posted my review. Loved it! The Pinky and the Brain reference had me laughing out loud.
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Old November 1 2013, 11:53 PM   #81
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I'll admit, I still don't really understand why Section 31 wants Bashir so badly. He seems like he'd be a walking liability. They have other genetically enhanced individuals on call- what makes Bashir worth all the extra effort?
I wondered the same thing - not much of an agent post this book without some serious face reconstruction.
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Old November 2 2013, 03:57 AM   #82
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^I can only assume somebody "higher-up" (if such a thing even exists in Section 31) has taken a liking to Bashir. Perhaps the higher-up even sees Bashir as a potential successor to run the organization.

As a foot-soldier: Bashir would be a terrible Section 31 agent. As head of the organization, though...? That might be a different story...
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Old November 2 2013, 05:08 AM   #83
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I'll admit, I still don't really understand why Section 31 wants Bashir so badly. He seems like he'd be a walking liability. They have other genetically enhanced individuals on call- what makes Bashir worth all the extra effort?
I wondered the same thing - not much of an agent post this book without some serious face reconstruction.
But facial reconstruction is ridiculously easy for Federation medicine.

And so far as we know, the only other genetically-engineered agents Section 31 has ever had were Locken and Sarina. Locken went rogue, and Sarina turns out to be a double agent who's actually working for Starfleet Intelligence to infiltrate Section 31 and bring it down.
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Old November 2 2013, 08:44 AM   #84
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I'll admit, I still don't really understand why Section 31 wants Bashir so badly. He seems like he'd be a walking liability. They have other genetically enhanced individuals on call- what makes Bashir worth all the extra effort?
I wondered the same thing - not much of an agent post this book without some serious face reconstruction.

He could still work behind the scenes, and his analitical mind is one of the best in the Federation, thanks to his genetic engineering. It's a matter of pros vs cons, and I guess some agents consider him a boon, while others feel he is to dangerous. It's been established that even S31 agents are still individuals with their own thoughts, and don't all agree on everything.
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Old November 2 2013, 08:45 AM   #85
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Found a copy yesterday and am about 100 pages in. Since no one else has mentioned the "Lost" reference, I will. There's a "Lost" reference.
Yeah, that made me laugh.
Weird, can't remember that. Could you be more specific? In spoiler tags if need be.
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Old November 2 2013, 09:21 AM   #86
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E-DUB wrote: View Post
Found a copy yesterday and am about 100 pages in. Since no one else has mentioned the "Lost" reference, I will. There's a "Lost" reference.
Yeah, that made me laugh.
Weird, can't remember that. Could you be more specific? In spoiler tags if need be.
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Old November 2 2013, 09:42 AM   #87
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I'll admit, I still don't really understand why Section 31 wants Bashir so badly. He seems like he'd be a walking liability. They have other genetically enhanced individuals on call- what makes Bashir worth all the extra effort?
I wondered the same thing - not much of an agent post this book without some serious face reconstruction.
Well clearly Section 31 also does stuff like engineering biogenic weapons that infect the Founders and such not. Perhaps they want Bashir for his skills in medicine/science to do R&D and not necessarily as a field agent.

Given that he was able to cure the Founder disease, and also create a stable Andorian genome...well what sort of scary shit can they get him to work on? Making S31 agents immortal, maybe?
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Old November 2 2013, 10:38 AM   #88
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Yeah, that made me laugh.
Weird, can't remember that. Could you be more specific? In spoiler tags if need be.

Completely missed that! Fantastic!
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Old November 2 2013, 10:46 AM   #89
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As for the character of Ishan, and the captain of the Warpsite....

I can see how some people feel these characters don't make sense, especially in a society like the Federation where everybody is supposed to be enlightened. DS9 already started showing us that there's more then just black or white, and some characters can be up to 'no good'. But compared to some worldleaders from recent history (some of them dictators, others chosen by the people), characters like Ishan are more plausible to me then some might think.

As for the captain of the Warspite.... He was established as a young captain, I'm guessing someone who moved up mostly because no one else was available after the massive number of officers killed during both the Dominion War and the Borg Invasion. These young officers weren't nurtured to become well-balanced commanders of starships, they were 'raised', so to speak, in an era of violence and constant vigillence. That breeds a certain type of character. And in a way, he made a good contrast for Ezri, who was also elevated to captaincy simply because no one was available. She struggles with her consience in this one, following orders for the sake of following orders. The captain of the Warspite is a clear example of a captain who only does what he's told, no matter what. A mirror, so to say, for Ezri.

Atleast, that's how I saw it.
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Old November 2 2013, 10:51 AM   #90
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As for the character of Ishan, and the captain of the Warpsite....

I can see how some people feel these characters don't make sense
I don't think anyone has made the argue that he doesn't make sense? My problem isn't that - it's that he's so badly written and so obviously the villain of the piece or their dupe that there is no nuance in how he is written and the reader is chapters ahead (or even as much as a book ahead) than the characters and that's just bad writing.
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