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View Poll Results: Rate A Ceremony of Losses.
Outstanding 65 61.32%
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Old November 27 2013, 02:53 PM   #256
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Re: TF: A Ceremony of Losses by David Mack Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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I have to agree with pretty much everything in your review, Matthew. Loved this one! However, just one little tiny nitpick - it's "President pro tem," not "term." It's short for "pro tempore," which is Latin for "for the time being."
Thank you for catching the typo! I'm really bad about that
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Old November 27 2013, 02:53 PM   #257
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I voted outstanding! Loved this book. We got to talk to David on Literary Treks about the book.
I finished reading this book.This one of the best books I've read this year. This is a great interview with David Mack.I can't wait to get Dis avowed and find out what happens to Julian Bashir.After listening to this interview and David talking about Diavowed I can't wait to get this book..
I'm with you, this was a wonderful book that left me craving more!
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Old November 27 2013, 08:03 PM   #258
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Not to be confused with "President pro tempura", which indicates they were deep fried in batter. Possibly more common with Antedeans or Phylosians.
This made me snarf my coffee. Bravo.

(Deep-fried president!!!!!!!!)
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Old November 28 2013, 06:11 AM   #259
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Re-reading the novel, I was struck by the description of the Andor News Service. A news service that hid, behind a rhetoric of telling the truth about what was really going on to the masses, a very strongly and irresponsibly partisan message linked to one of two major ideological factions? Fox News came to mind.
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Old November 29 2013, 01:14 PM   #260
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Re-reading the novel, I was struck by the description of the Andor News Service. A news service that hid, behind a rhetoric of telling the truth about what was really going on to the masses, a very strongly and irresponsibly partisan message linked to one of two major ideological factions? Fox News came to mind.
VGD presented Federation news services as improved in quality. For example, only stories with three independent sources would be published.

In contrast, Andoria's media (and society) were presented as backward already in Paths of Disharmony. The conduct of Andorian media outlets bore a striking resemblance to 21st century US counterparts. Thus, that behaviour does have continuity.
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Old November 30 2013, 07:02 PM   #261
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On a side note: was this book physically more flimsy than the previous few (Crimson Shadow, for example)? Seems this comes up on occasion, then they go back to normal, and then another 'cheap' one seems to pop up. Wondering if it was the run I got, or if that was the same for everyone. And what drives that end result...
My book was the same way, so curious like you.
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Old December 1 2013, 03:47 AM   #262
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Simply a beautiful book. I've always loved Bashir's unwavering dedication to the hippocratic oath and how he has no boundaries when it comes to helping others. Say what you want about Bashir's other personality traits but i have always felt he has exemplified all the great things about Star Trek.

This book was amazing my only criticism would be that Dax didn't unleash some smack on Captain Unverzagt.

Also, how cool was the Captain of Tuonetar. The final confrontation on and in orbit of andor had me on the edge of my seat.

I really hope Ishan Anjar gets a good comeuppance.
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Old December 1 2013, 04:28 AM   #263
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Thanks for those quotes. I was wondering where people got it from that after The Fall things would go in a different direction.

Personally, I would miss all the political intrigue and such, but a change might be good. As long the writing is still good, the stories good, I'm good.
I also would be a bit sad to see the political intrigue totally go. Have quite enjoyed parts of it. Articles of the Federation I greatly enjoyed because of that reason.
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Old December 1 2013, 04:19 PM   #264
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Re-reading the novel, I was struck by the description of the Andor News Service. (deleted) Fox News came to mind.
Not anyone closer to home? (Tempted to name names, but not until they go into bankruptcy.)
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Old December 2 2013, 01:15 AM   #265
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Re-reading the novel, I was struck by the description of the Andor News Service. A news service that hid, behind a rhetoric of telling the truth about what was really going on to the masses, a very strongly and irresponsibly partisan message linked to one of two major ideological factions? Fox News came to mind.
It wasn't just Fox news, I was reading in the whole Republican issue of fanning the flames of the tea baggers then realizing, hey these guys don't really want to govern, just destroy. Well, maybe it wasn't there, I'm just saying that's what I read into it.

Really good book. As someone else read, man can David Mack pace a book. I didn't stop reading this until I was done, very late at night. I'm very happy that it's the 2nd book in a row that one could say ended up in the plus column for the Federation over the Typhon Pact.
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Old December 2 2013, 06:02 AM   #266
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Re-reading the novel, I was struck by the description of the Andor News Service. (deleted) Fox News came to mind.
Not anyone closer to home? (Tempted to name names, but not until they go into bankruptcy.)
Does Sun News really count as actual television, as opposed to Pierre Peladeau's hobby?
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Old December 2 2013, 06:45 PM   #267
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I was thinking of his media holdings in both official languages, as opposed to Sun Media alone...
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Old December 6 2013, 10:07 AM   #268
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Re: TF: A Ceremony of Losses by David Mack Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Alright, finally got this and ran through it at top speed. Posting my thoughts before going back to read the thread.

Initial thoughts:

OOOHHHH SHHHIIIIITTTTTTT

***runs round in circles, hands flapping in the air, shrieking myself hoarse***

I don't think there was a single point in this book where I wasn't pumping with adrenaline. How an entire book managed to keep me at a level of "shit just got REAL" for so long I have no idea. It was so exciting that I was sat in the office in full view of my manager just reading this book at my desk. I would run around to other people yelling things like "Oh my god Pulaski!" and "Oh my god Prynn was in on it aaaaah!" into their faces.

This was a massively continuity-heavy book. I was trying to explain to a guy in the office why I was so excited. And this is a definite nerd, he knows his Star Trek, but he hasn't really been keeping up with the books. So I told him...

"Right, so the Andorians are dying out, yeah? Fertility problems. And they seceded from the Federation because they were pissed off that the Federation wasn't doing enough to help them. So now they're being courted by the Typhon Pact, which is like the anti-Federation where the Tholians and the Romulans and the Breen and a few others got together, so if they can get the Andorians that would be like a massive political coup to get one of the founding members. But the Andorians are right on crisis point so Shar asks Bashir for help. So Bashir uses his Section 31 contacts to get hold of this classified data called the Shedai Meta-Genome which is the basis of a whole other book series. Oh and Dax has got her own ship now..."

...and went on for about 10 minutes. And he kind of looked at me blankly and said, "So, a beginner's work then."

But that's why it was so exciting - because it was bringing in so many different points from across the continuity and rolling them all together and being awesome. We were on DS9. Then we were on Bajor. Then we were on Andor. Then we were with the president. Then we were on the Aventine. Then we were with the Breen. I was like, holy crap what else?

I love that Shar is back in focus and being agreeably badass. I love that Prynn is second officer of the Defiant - I totally think she could be first officer before much longer cuz that Stinson guy is a asshole. I love that you didn't forget the Prynn/Shar thing. I love that Pulaski and Lense appeared. I love that Quark played an important role in saving a planet. I love the idea of a Klingon/Ferengi fusion restaurant. I love that you called a Klingon ship the "gung-ho." I love that an Andorian is running for president - I said out loud "haha fuck you!" to Ishan. Jackass. And I love that Akaar is not going to take this shit any longer.

A couple of tiny, almost negligible nitpicks.

  • That advisor to the president guy had the most obvious anagram-of-real-person name ever.
  • Bashir was a prisoner of the Breen during the war? Uh, no. Dax and Worf were prisoners of the Breen during the war, Bashir was a prisoner with a Breen before the war, and a prisoner of the Breen after the war. But during, no. I'm willing to be proven wrong, however.
  • I would have liked to go back to DS9 itself for a scene or two in the second half of the book. Obviously you were following the Bashir storyline and where it went, but I would have just liked a moment with Ro, Prynn and especially Sarina reacting and coping after Bashir had gone. And where did Shar go at the end?
One other curious thing that I hesitate to mention in front of professional authors so I'm spoiler-coding it.



So, upshot is, oh hell yes.

Book 1 was a gentle stroll in the park. Book 2 was a worrying rumble and low-level tension. And book 3 was ohhh ffuuuuuu.....

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Old December 9 2013, 02:53 AM   #269
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Haven't read the thread, but just wanted to say this was a beautiful novel. I was really wary of going back to the Andorian crisis story, but this resolved it amazingly. It was an awesome political thriller.

Great all around.
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Old December 9 2013, 12:14 PM   #270
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Funny, I thought the Andorian news service was more similar to MSNBC. They are essentially just cheerleaders for the current administration. By the way, "tea baggers" is a really offensive term.
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