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Old October 18 2013, 12:49 AM   #16
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Re: The "Keiko situation" (Rascals)

How can you have an adult consciousness in a kid's body anyway. Isn't your entire brain different?
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Old October 18 2013, 12:56 AM   #17
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I agree with all of you. Weird, awkward, icky, creepy... but not really immoral. Keiko's being married made the whole situation more serious for her than for the other people affected.

I know it's not a very popular episode, but I've always liked it, if only for the way Ro Laren had a chance to be a playful child for the first time.
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Old October 18 2013, 01:05 AM   #18
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How can you have an adult consciousness in a kid's body anyway. Isn't your entire brain different?
I think it's likely the brain was, largely, unaffected. That's to say it was "wired the same" even if the chemistry was off due to the age of the bodies. You're right that the brain of a child is different that of the brain of an adult but that's all from decades of re-wiring as we age. The transported accident only removed the genetic-babble that made them physically adult. I doubt this would have impacted the make-up of the brain.

Preteen Keiko may have had slightly more unstable moods due to wacky teenage-girl hormones but by-and-large she'd be the same person.

As for the "situation" O'Brien couldn't be blamed too much for being uncomfortable but it's likely after time they would have adjusted and found a balance that made it work. Any physical encounters likely would have waited until Keiko's body matured more and O'Brien got over any societal ickiness over it. Society itself likely wouldn't give their situation a second glance considering the kind of world they live in. She could be in with aliens and all kind of goofy shit being possible, O'Brien could explain to any second-glancers with a "transporter accident." Looker: "Ah! Gotcha!" and then they nod at one another and continue on their way.
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Old October 18 2013, 01:24 AM   #19
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Jesus, just posting in this thread makes me feel uncomfortable.
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If Keiko's mental capacity was the same, then how was she not able to see the absolute awful discomfort of the situation before beginning to act on it in the first place? "Maybe my husband won't want to cuddle with the 10 year old me" Hmm, there's a thought

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How can you have an adult consciousness in a kid's body anyway. Isn't your entire brain different?
I had thought about that when I first saw it & concluded that they don't even know the full extent of the effect. Perhaps, as they were exposed to prepubescent body chemistry, it would begin having an effect on their mind too. Ultimately they could have begun acting more like kids again, instead of walking around drinking Earl Grey & tugging on your jacket
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Old October 18 2013, 01:32 AM   #20
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Old October 18 2013, 05:46 AM   #21
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You certainly can't blame O'Brien for being uncomfortable. But you also have to think, Keiko was in an emotionally difficult place and needed some kind of emotional comfort even if it was just a hug. As a husband it's kind of his obligation to provide that comfort to the extent Keiko needed it.

It's true Keiko's brain chemistry was different but all her memories and her built up habits and behavioral reactions are still there. The difference in brain chemistry would have changed her feelings and reactions but philosophically speaking would not change who she was at her core.

I mean, it's a show about mankind putting principle before instinct. I'd like to think, in the long run, O'Brien would have adjusted to Keiko having the form of a much younger person.

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Old October 18 2013, 06:24 AM   #22
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It was kind of an uncomfortable moment. I don't think Keiko was really understanding the awkwardness it would pose to Miles. I don't think ANY of them realised that the crew would be a little uncomfortable with children replacing the adult officers they knew. It'd be instinct for them to initially treat them as children except for Data I would imagine.
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Old October 18 2013, 09:15 AM   #23
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I don't think I'd have hangups with a little person my age though, no matter how old she really looked. I'd just hope she'd have the sense to wear an adult hairstyle and other signals of obvious adulthood. What do female little people do so people don't see them as children? Males can grow beards, but females don't have that option.
There was a TV series "Little People, Big World" some years back. The females age normally, like anyone else. The only difference is that they're shorter and sometimes suffer chronic musculo-skeletal problems.

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How can you have an adult consciousness in a kid's body anyway. Isn't your entire brain different?
Ever read the first 3 Dune books by Frank Herbert? The characters of Alia, Leto, and Ghanima Atreides all had adult consciousnesses in children's bodies. Mind you, they were born that way.

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As for the "situation" O'Brien couldn't be blamed too much for being uncomfortable but it's likely after time they would have adjusted and found a balance that made it work. Any physical encounters likely would have waited until Keiko's body matured more and O'Brien got over any societal ickiness over it. Society itself likely wouldn't give their situation a second glance considering the kind of world they live in. She could be in with aliens and all kind of goofy shit being possible, O'Brien could explain to any second-glancers with a "transporter accident." Looker: "Ah! Gotcha!" and then they nod at one another and continue on their way.
Miles might have had problems early on, but as Keiko matured physically, he should eventually get over it. The real problem would be Keiko's relationship to her own daughter, Molly. That would likely take a longer time to sort out, while Miles would probably be unconsciously thinking of both of them as his daughters.

I never liked adult Keiko, so this could have been a golden opportunity for her to grow up again into a nicer person!

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That scene where Riker and Picard hug is just priceless!
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Old October 18 2013, 11:44 AM   #24
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I never liked adult Keiko, so this could have been a golden opportunity for her to grow up again into a nicer person!
She was a bit of a shrew, wasn't she?
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Old October 18 2013, 12:12 PM   #25
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I never liked adult Keiko, so this could have been a golden opportunity for her to grow up again into a nicer person!
She was a bit of a shrew, wasn't she?
Yep. She always put down Miles' choices, from food to hobbies to friends. I was actually surprised that she didn't send him a "Dear Miles" letter from Bajor, telling him how boring he was and that she'd found happiness among the plants (and a new guy who didn't eat porridge and all the other Northern European foods she despised). No wonder Miles preferred to spend his spare time with Julian!
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Old October 18 2013, 06:02 PM   #26
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I honestly never felt any chemistry between them. Nada.
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Old October 19 2013, 01:09 PM   #27
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One of the girls on campus was 20, but she was what used to be described as a midget (not a dwarf). Technically, she had proportionate dwarfism, with no deformities of the body.
A "homunculus," a perfectly proportioned small person.

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Yeah, the puberty thing is big. In truth, she would NOT be the same person emotionally, because her hormones would be so different.
There's also the likelihood that Keiko had a intact hymen again, and so would physically "lose" her virginity to Miles.

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Old October 19 2013, 02:43 PM   #28
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Yup... That's where this thread didn't need to go^
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Old October 19 2013, 03:14 PM   #29
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Yup... That's where this thread didn't need to go^
It was only a matter of time.
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...And there it is: a brand new low.
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