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Old October 15 2013, 11:56 PM   #16
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

Marc Okrand came up with the spelling "Qo'noS" to fit his previously developed rules for Klingon orthography. Is it canonical if the creator of the Klingon language spells it Qo'noS? Maybe that's how Klingon spell it.
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Old October 16 2013, 01:03 AM   #17
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

The way I understand it, it's Qo'noS using Okrand's version and Kronos Anglicized. It was used that way in later TNG and in the movies franchise running concurrently with that show.
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Old October 16 2013, 01:23 AM   #18
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

Wasn't Kronos one of the systems lords from Stargate SG1?


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Old October 16 2013, 01:56 AM   #19
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

The idea is that both Qo'noS (the n is not capitalized) and Kronos are valid English-language transliterations of the Klingonese name for the planet -- the same way both Beijing and Peking are valid English-language transliterations of the Mandarin name for the capital of China, or that Gadhafi and Kaddafi are both valid transliterations of the Arabic name for the former dictator of Libya.

Presumably, the actual Klingonese word contains sounds that don't have exact equivalents in English, and Qo'noS and Kronos are both attempts to replicate the word using English consonants, as is usually the case with differing transliteration schemes. Kronos is close enough for most practical purposes, but Qo'noS probably replicates the word more accurately.
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Old October 16 2013, 02:45 AM   #20
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

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Wasn't there a map visible from TOS that said "Kling" on it for the Klingon homeworld? Or maybe that's just the name of the star system.
That's actually from TNG's Heart of Glory. Specifically, Korris is of the opinion that modern day Klingons are "traitors to Kling."

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Wasn't Kronos one of the systems lords from Stargate SG1?
Cronus, actually.
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Old October 16 2013, 03:38 AM   #21
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The idea is that both Qo'noS (the n is not capitalized) and Kronos are valid English-language transliterations of the Klingonese name for the planet
That's how I prefer to see it. Apparently STID also uses the Qo'noS spelling on a display readout. If a single film uses both spellings, that's good enough proof for me that both are fine.
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Old October 16 2013, 12:43 PM   #22
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Presumably, the actual Klingonese word contains sounds that don't have exact equivalents in English, and Qo'noS and Kronos are both attempts to replicate the word using English consonants, as is usually the case with differing transliteration schemes. Kronos is close enough for most practical purposes, but Qo'noS probably replicates the word more accurately.
It could also be that some sounds are in the process of disappearing from the language (or at least one of its major dialects). Non-rhotic English is about 200 years old, yet there are still many words that still have these devoiced /r/ sounds.
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Old October 16 2013, 02:54 PM   #23
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

It seems to me that what happens in STID doesn't matter, as far as canon goes. The events depicted take place in an alternate timeline, so by definition don't count . . .
Or, is that just opening a big old can of worms?

I'll just go with the good Dr. McCoy, "we don't hear the words of the Klingons".
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Old October 16 2013, 03:01 PM   #24
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

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It seems to me that what happens in STID doesn't matter, as far as canon goes. The events depicted take place in an alternate timeline, so by definition don't count . . .
Or, is that just opening a big old can of worms?
I don't really see how altering the timeline more than a century after first contact with the Klingons would be able to change the english language conventions for writing Klingon words. That ship most likely sailed long before Nero arrived.
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Old October 16 2013, 03:04 PM   #25
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Now the real question is... Kanon or Qa'non????
Any spelling will do. Except cannon.
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Old October 16 2013, 03:10 PM   #26
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

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It seems to me that what happens in STID doesn't matter, as far as canon goes. The events depicted take place in an alternate timeline, so by definition don't count . . .
Or, is that just opening a big old can of worms?

I'll just go with the good Dr. McCoy, "we don't hear the words of the Klingons".
I can't see how Nero appearing in 2233 would change the way they spell Kronos/Qo'noS in 2259.

(unless the USS Kelvin was full of important linguists)
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Old October 16 2013, 03:14 PM   #27
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It seems to me that what happens in STID doesn't matter, as far as canon goes. The events depicted take place in an alternate timeline, so by definition don't count . . .
It doesn't matter since TUC also used the Kronos spelling. Since it showed up in the Prime Universe, we have to count it.
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Old October 16 2013, 07:55 PM   #28
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

There have been different names for the Klingon homeworld over the years, the canonicity of some muddy at best. I recall something like Kaazh and Klinzhai as well (the latter also being one of the various dialects of Klingon language). Kling was definitely out there for a long time and TUC really made the canonical inroads with Qo'noS/Kronos. The native Klingon vs English-ized is an interesting take. I always thought that Qo'noS was the homeworld and Kronos (that is, Kronos One) being the K'T'inga class battlecruiser that brought Gorkon to Federation space. I assume that they're pretty much identical in meaning, though.
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Old October 16 2013, 07:58 PM   #29
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Re: Qo'NoS or Kronos????

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The way I understand it, it's Qo'noS using Okrand's version and Kronos Anglicized. It was used that way in later TNG and in the movies franchise running concurrently with that show.
Yeah, just like we have different spelling for foreign words in English, it would make sense to have different spellings for alien words.

Now for an even more complicated question:

Which version of the Klingons is "more canon"; the heavy-browed no-forehead-ridged Klingons or TOS, or the forehead-ridged Klingons of basically everything else???
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Old October 16 2013, 08:03 PM   #30
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I don't think one is any more canon than the other. DS9 proved they're both canon and Enterprise explained the change, again, canonically. Whether or not people like the explanation is irrelevant, as it is still an official part of the mythos now.
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