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Old January 29 2014, 02:49 AM   #256
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Re: Marvel Studios may be planning more MCU for the small screen

I'd much rather see the fun swashbuckling pre-Frank Miller / Marvel NOW! Daredevil.
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Old January 29 2014, 03:15 AM   #257
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I've seen a lot of people thinking that the freedom of Netflix will allow The Defenders series to go a lot darker than the movies and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and while I could see them going a little darker, I doubt they'll go full on HBO level with it. I don't have a problem with it if they do, I just don't know if they'd want to veer that far from what has been a very successful style for them.
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Old January 29 2014, 03:55 AM   #258
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I'd much rather see the fun swashbuckling pre-Frank Miller / Marvel NOW! Daredevil.
What's the difference between that and Spider-Man?

Actually, I was indifferent to this until I read about Jessica Jones. It would be a weird shift in tone going straight from a daredevil to her.
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Old January 29 2014, 04:33 AM   #259
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Who's Spider-Man? Certainly not anyone who exists in this universe.

Besides, Murdock and Parker still have very different lives and personalities. Hell, Matt Murdock's more of a street-level Tony Stark.
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Old January 29 2014, 04:38 AM   #260
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So like Peter Parker then? Scientific genius that makes his own gear (or improves his natural abilities), wisecracker in and out of battle, dates the most beautiful women...
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Old January 29 2014, 04:49 AM   #261
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I'd much rather see the fun swashbuckling pre-Frank Miller / Marvel NOW! Daredevil.
What's the difference between that and Spider-Man?
That's just it, I think. DD and Spidey have always had a fair amount in common, and the way Stan Lee originally wrote the character was in his usual lively, wisecracking vein, which Mark Waid has returned to in the current run. Personally I think that kind of devil-may-care attitude makes more sense for a guy called "Daredevil, The Man Without Fear" than endless angst and despair.

Besides, since the MCU doesn't have Spider-Man, maybe they could use a Waid-style Daredevil as the closest equivalent -- sort of the way Smallville and Arrow have used Oliver Queen as a surrogate Bruce Wayne.

Although of course there are a lot of things that make Daredevil distinct from Spidey -- his blindness, his greater career success, the fact that his identity has been outed or at least suspected by the public more than once, his ninja training, etc. Then there's the fact that part of the strength of Waid's more relaxed, light-hearted characterization of DD is that he does have that long history of angst and despair, so that his new attitude is a deliberate reaction to that, a decision to adapt and make a new start, whereas his best friend and partner Foggy Nelson believes it's just denial and possible mental instability. So it's his history that makes him different.


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So like Peter Parker then? Scientific genius that makes his own gear (or improves his natural abilities), wisecracker in and out of battle, dates the most beautiful women...
Um, no -- Matt isn't a scientific genius at all, and he doesn't use that much tech beyond his fancy billy club/cane/grappling hook thing. I don't really see the Tony Stark comparison, unless it's to the angsty, broken, "Demon With a Bottle" Tony Stark rather than the RDJ Tony Stark.
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Old January 29 2014, 04:54 AM   #262
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I meant in all the non-techy ways.
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Old January 29 2014, 05:32 AM   #263
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Besides, since the MCU doesn't have Spider-Man, maybe they could use a Waid-style Daredevil as the closest equivalent -- sort of the way Smallville and Arrow have used Oliver Queen as a surrogate Bruce Wayne.
Ugh, I hate the argument that, since we don't have character x, we can use character y as if we did. If you want to watch the Marvel character Spider-Man on screen, there are five movies in which you can do so. Just because he isn't being creatively controlled by Marvel studios doesn't mean that he isn't that character being portrayed on screen. This is particularly true with Spider-Man, who has been fairly good compared to most comic book movies.

I'm personally agnostic on which Daredevil we should have (my only point is the more Miller-esque one fits with the other three characters), but this line of argument that sees a character (particularly the protagonist in his own story) as a fill-in for someone else does a disservice to that character.

Although of course there are a lot of things that make Daredevil distinct from Spidey -- his blindness, his greater career success, the fact that his identity has been outed or at least suspected by the public more than once, his ninja training, etc. Then there's the fact that part of the strength of Waid's more relaxed, light-hearted characterization of DD is that he does have that long history of angst and despair, so that his new attitude is a deliberate reaction to that, a decision to adapt and make a new start, whereas his best friend and partner Foggy Nelson believes it's just denial and possible mental instability. So it's his history that makes him different.
See, that's fine for a comic that can build on that history, but it doesn't work when you have to introduce him for the first time. You either introduce that history or you don't.

Of course, there's also room to have both ways to a degree.
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Old January 29 2014, 05:40 AM   #264
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^ Agreed. I thought the tone of the Affleck film was pretty good in terms of darkness/angst.

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Um, no -- Matt isn't a scientific genius at all, and he doesn't use that much tech beyond his fancy billy club/cane/grappling hook thing. I don't really see the Tony Stark comparison, unless it's to the angsty, broken, "Demon With a Bottle" Tony Stark rather than the RDJ Tony Stark.
Ok, I didn't think so but I've not been a faithful reader of his comics so I thought maybe I was missing something.
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Old January 29 2014, 05:42 AM   #265
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I think that movie did try in a lot of ways, it just didn't succeed very well (ETA: I should add that I heard the director's cut is better, but I haven't seen it).

My main point is that Daredevil often seems very similar to Spider-Man. Because of this, the goal to sell Daredevil is to distinguish him, not blur the lines.
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Old January 29 2014, 05:51 AM   #266
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I'm not saying he should be just a fill-in, just that the Lee or Waid version of Ol' Hornhead fills a similar niche to Spider-Man while doing so in his own distinct way.
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Old January 30 2014, 07:34 AM   #267
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Personally, I can see using a character as a fill in for another on you don't have the rights too. That way you can still do the story lines that you want do, but don't have to worry about whether or not you have that specific character.
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Old January 30 2014, 07:40 AM   #268
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Either way, asking the difference between Daredevil and Spider-Man is silly and pointless when there is no Spider-Man.
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Old January 30 2014, 01:24 PM   #269
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Well, no. Just because the character isn't being written by people hired by Marvel doesn't mean there is no Spider-Man and it's unimportant to keep the characters distinct. If everyone looks at Daredevil and goes "oh, that's just a Spider-Man ripoff" you'd be losing a lot from the character and, imo, wasting everyone's time giving him his own series. If you want a Spider-Man ripoff, introduce Spider-Woman or someone like that. Or hell, create an original character like how the Chutari were created to fill the role ofthe Skrulls. Don't change another character for that purpose, it isn't fair to that other character
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Old January 30 2014, 02:28 PM   #270
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But it's not a change. Daredevil was originally and currently a fun swashbuckling character.
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