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Old October 20 2013, 12:56 AM   #76
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I did not need an explanation for why Klingons didn't look the same in the 1960s vs. every other appearance until Enterprise provided one (though I liked those episodes and have no objection to the explanation).
I preferred Roddenberry's explanation that they always looked like that to the whole TOS Klingons were half assed augments and probably not really considered Klingons.

The same applies to Khan. No need to explain, but as one is being offered, I am interested in how they will try to explain it.
I'm worried its going to end up being something dumb and/or over complicated.
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Old October 20 2013, 12:58 AM   #77
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In Trek, it appears as much a title as a name (a dual purpose for the term that exists in the real world). Cumberbatch could easily be using "Khan" the way Montalban did in Space Seed (if I recall the dialogue correctly enough from Space Seed to paraphrase, Kirk presses Khan with something like "Khan, just that, nothing else?" to which Khan replies something like "just Khan").
Not quite. In "Space Seed," Khan actually said "Khan is my name" to Kirk and "My name is Khan" to Marla. (Kirk also said "Name: Khan" in the later briefing.)
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Old October 20 2013, 01:21 AM   #78
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It is extremely unlikely the writers will go this route (Khan as title)
But they do. The boy introduces himself in issue #1 as Noonien Singh.
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Old October 20 2013, 01:34 AM   #79
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In Trek, it appears as much a title as a name (a dual purpose for the term that exists in the real world). Cumberbatch could easily be using "Khan" the way Montalban did in Space Seed (if I recall the dialogue correctly enough from Space Seed to paraphrase, Kirk presses Khan with something like "Khan, just that, nothing else?" to which Khan replies something like "just Khan").
Not quite. In "Space Seed," Khan actually said "Khan is my name" to Kirk and "My name is Khan" to Marla. (Kirk also said "Name: Khan" in the later briefing.)
But could that not simply be evasion on his part--the fear that if he is immediately recognized (as he apparently believes would happen if he gave his full name) he would be dealt with harshly? After all, he has no way of knowing if his notoriety has diminished when he is first questioned about his identity.
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Old October 20 2013, 01:36 AM   #80
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It is extremely unlikely the writers will go this route (Khan as title)
But they do. The boy introduces himself in issue #1 as Noonien Singh.
I don't recall the Singh portion (have to look at it again). But I meant I doubt the writers will conclude with "Harrison/Khan" as being an entirely different person than "Noonien Singh/Khan". That's how I would have done it, but I'm highly doubtful it is the planned conclusion.

Edit: I saw it on a second reading. Anyway, I remain curious how they will address this issue.
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Old October 20 2013, 02:21 AM   #81
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The idea that they'd make him a different person altogether strikes me as completely bizarre. If they were going to do that, why even call him Khan in the first place? What would be the point? Okay, maybe "Noonien Singh" adopted the first name Khan at some point in life -- it would make sense if it were an affectation, since it's rarely used as a given name -- but of course it's supposed to be the same person.
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Old October 20 2013, 02:25 AM   #82
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What reason did they give for Pine and Shatner looking different?
They never gave a reason. They just show Nero going through a database and there's a picture of Shatner's Kirk.
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I'm interested in this. I did a Google search and read some reviews, but they said nothing about this.

What reason did they give for Pine and Shatner looking different?
There is no explanation, nor was there meant to be. The issue used Shatner's likeness because they wanted readers to recognize visually that it was meant to be Kirk, and the movie hadn't come out yet so Pine's face wouldn't have been as effective a visual shorthand.

And in the movie, Spock Prime recognized the young Kirk on sight. In story, they do look the same, regardless of the actors' appearance. The difference in how Kirk was drawn in the different comics is no more a real in-story difference than, say, the difference between Steve Ditko's Peter Parker and Humberto Ramos's Peter Parker.
Thanks, Bill and Christopher. I had misunderstood the post I quoted, thinking that they had actually provided a reason, which I would find strange.

Although, on a related note, IDW does acknowledge the difference in appearances in the MU story. At the beginning (set in the regular Abramsverse) Scotty and Dr McCoy are discussing alternate universes, they are shadowed by their Prime Universe counterparts, drawn in the likeness of Doohan and Kelley.

I've actually come up with my own theory (as a joke, not a serious suggestion) that there's something in Vulcan and Romulan biology that when see someone in different universe they can recognize them, but someone of a different species can not. Explaining why Spock can recognize Kirk and Scotty and Nero can recognize Kirk. But were a human or other race from the Prime Universe were to visit the Abramsverse, they wouldn't recognize anyone.
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Old October 20 2013, 02:38 AM   #83
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The reason that I am bothered by the change in Kahn and not the other characters is because it is such a drastic change compare to the others. Most of the rest of the existing cast is similar looking enough that I could buy that they are the same person, but Kahn is way to drastic of a change to be able to just blow it off. I don't need an explanation, but I'm not mad we do appear to be getting one.
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Old October 20 2013, 03:02 AM   #84
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Although, on a related note, IDW does acknowledge the difference in appearances in the MU story. At the beginning (set in the regular Abramsverse) Scotty and Dr McCoy are discussing alternate universes, they are shadowed by their Prime Universe counterparts, drawn in the likeness of Doohan and Kelley.
I take that as artistic license -- or simply as a bad idea. It's worth keeping in mind that the comics aren't canonical, and however much they may claim to be keeping the comics perfectly consistent with the films, they're a secondhand interpretation of what the filmmakers have in mind and they contain a number of discrepancies and mistakes. So what's in the comics is not authoritative.
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Old October 20 2013, 03:06 AM   #85
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they're a secondhand interpretation of what the filmmakers have in mind and they contain a number of discrepancies and mistakes.
Including this particular example, in which James Doohan was drawn wearing an Abramsverse uniform.
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The reason that I am bothered by the change in Kahn
To Khan?
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Old October 20 2013, 03:48 AM   #87
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The reason that I am bothered by the change in Kahn
To Khan?
Yeah. I really need to remember to check before I post.
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Old October 21 2013, 04:29 AM   #88
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The reason that I am bothered by the change in Kahn and not the other characters is because it is such a drastic change compare to the others. Most of the rest of the existing cast is similar looking enough that I could buy that they are the same person, but Kahn is way to drastic of a change to be able to just blow it off. I don't need an explanation, but I'm not mad we do appear to be getting one.
Actually when comparing pictures of Montalban and Cumberbatch there is a considerable resemblance, more so then say between Shatner and Pine.
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