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Old October 15 2013, 12:47 AM   #46
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Re: What's the beef with Chakotay?

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Why does there seem to be a beef against Commander Chakotay? I always thought he was a descent character. He wasn't the most dynamic Trek character ever, but certainly not the worst I've seen. What's the main complaints against him?
He goes nowhere. Early on is the Jane crush he has that just kinda disappears. And that Indian animal guide stuff that never seems to have a point and just disappears. Then that boxing stuff. I think there were 2 seperate throw away eps of him being a soldier on some alien world for whatever reason. Then the throwaway 7 romance that had no buildup.

He's just not interesting, nor does he counterbalance Janeway in any meaningful way (7 did a better job at that). He's just there. He's an older and higher ranking Harry Kim.

If you want a crazy unorthodox (slightly nutty) Captain Janeway, then coldly logical Tuvok would have been her balance and should have been her 2nd in command.
If you want a coldly practical (Tuvix killing) Captain Janeway, then a stronger-written, compassionate Maquis ideologue animal spirit following Chakotay would have been her balance.

As it happened, Janeway was inconsistent, and there was no initiative for a balance. He's a character that could be completely written out and nothing much would have changed or been missed.

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Old October 15 2013, 12:55 AM   #47
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I wish that Seska baby had been his, at least it would have injected him with a little angst. Even if we never saw it due to bad acting we would have known it was there.
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Old October 15 2013, 12:55 AM   #48
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I wish that Seska baby had been his, at least it would have injected him with a little angst. Even if we never saw it due to bad acting we would have known it was there.
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Old October 15 2013, 01:06 AM   #49
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Seska would have been an interesting second in command, double dealing behind Janeway's back -- not necessarily stabbing her in the back, just making things go smoothly when the offical Star Fleet sanctioned action wouldn't have gotten the job done. Trade some tech here and there discreetly for resources... the captain would never have to know why the Kazon became so accomodating all of a sudden... well, until the day came that one of her deals bites everyone in the ass.

Cardassians (Garak, Gul Dukat) are the most interesting race in that regard.
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Old October 15 2013, 03:22 AM   #50
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After Seska was revealed as a Cardassian, she should've stayed onboard Voyager. It would've been a great source of tension among the crew and we would've gotten to see Martha Hackett on a more regular basis--which is nice.

They could've had Michael Jonas as the one who betrayed the ship and was working from within with the Kazon in order to remove Starfleet from command, so that the Maquis could take over. He is then betrayed by Cullah and murdered during the invasion then, instead of Suder, Seska is the one who sneaks around the ship and manages to retake it (though hopefully not dying in the process).

She could have then been a constant thorn in Chakotay's side, a reminder that he let her get close to him and pull the wool over his eyes. That kinda betrayal has got to emote some kind of response from him...you'd hope.
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Old October 17 2013, 03:28 AM   #51
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I have to disagree with a lot of you. I didn't really see Chakotay as some kind of rebel freedom fighter terrorist. He was in the Maquis because of a morale/philosophical disagreement with how Starfleet handled the Cardassians. He was actually a very good Starfleet officer and once the two crews combined into a Starfleet crew then he was prepared to accept being a Starfleet officer again. I also thought that the Native American aspect was pretty different and I enjoyed it.
What about that scene in Learning Curve where he punches that guy because it's GRR THE MAQUIS WAY OF DOING THINGS? Yeah, the Voyager writers seemed like they didn't even watch the Maquis episodes of DS9 and treated them like they were a bunch of thugs. But yes, the Maquis are not just violent thugs, they are strongly opinionated people who feel abandoned by the Federation. Like Sisko's old buddy, or Eddington. For that to work, Chakotay would have needed to have strong philosophical views and opinions. Chakotay never expressed an opinion once in the series, other than in Equinox.

And yeah, the Native American aspect, which they explored by making him grow up in the one tribe in the world that's still living in the jungle shunning modernity. Way to fight racial stereotypes.
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Old October 23 2013, 10:26 PM   #52
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I wonder why Beltran didn't just ask to be let out of his contract since he hated being on the show so much? Denise Crosby and Wil Wheaton were able to leave very easily when they didn't want to be in TNG anymore.
I imagine that Beltran probably saw the show as a decent source of income for seven years.
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Old October 23 2013, 10:32 PM   #53
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I wonder how often Vagina Maddsen arrived and told his "Then" girlfriend to get lost.

That would be madness, all these women on Voyager having absolutely no idea why they broke up with Chakotay when they thought that everything was fine, and suddenly it's a week later and they feel emotionally turned around.

It'd be just like that Drew Barrymore Movie 50 First Dates.
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Old October 24 2013, 01:10 PM   #54
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Drew Barrymore is extremely hot. Especially when she was fatter.

Anyway what exactly has Beltran done since this TERRIBLE show he was so bored being locked into doing for seven years?
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Old October 24 2013, 03:47 PM   #55
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Anyway what exactly has Beltran done since this TERRIBLE show he was so bored being locked into doing for seven years?
He's been on a vision quest since 2001. Please stand by.
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Old October 24 2013, 07:32 PM   #56
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Drew Barrymore is incredibly beautiful, in just the right light, which she can never quite find.
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Old October 24 2013, 07:41 PM   #57
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^ I suspect she found the right light when she danced on David Letterman's desk and flashed her breasts at him.
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Old October 24 2013, 08:10 PM   #58
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In her defence, it was his birthday.
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Old October 24 2013, 08:26 PM   #59
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Yeah, she keeps failing to show up for mine. Guess I need a TV show first.
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Old October 24 2013, 08:46 PM   #60
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It's not that hard to get a date with Drew Barrymore.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378407/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

In 2004, a documentarian, set himself the goal of going from nothing, to a date with Drew Barrymore, in just 30 days.
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