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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old October 13 2013, 05:54 PM   #16
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Re: Should Chapel Have Become a Doctor?

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I always figured it was something like Chapel being a med student, and the opportunity to serve on Enterprise as a nurse came up and she decided to take it and finish school after the five year mission.
They specifically mention she gave up a career in bio-research.

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KIRK: I understand you gave up a career in bio-research to sign aboard a starship.
Presumably a career she was in and not studying for. That would fit in with her involvement with Dr. Kory, who was a medical researcher/archaeologist.
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Old October 13 2013, 06:01 PM   #17
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Re: Should Chapel Have Become a Doctor?

Ah, thanks. Been awhile since I watched through TOS. Quite possibly where I got the "idea"
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Old October 13 2013, 06:35 PM   #18
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Re: Should Chapel Have Become a Doctor?

The promotion may have simply been Majel pulling some behind the scene strings. When it was originally planned as the Phase II television project, even though the Spock replacement of Lt. Xon (David Gautreaux) was pretty much firmed up, he was suddenly asked to come in for a second screen test. Majel was apparently worried the younger Xon meant her character's primary obsession with Spock would result in her having a smaller role in the new series.

Suddenly some British actor (does anyone know the name?) had been brought in to test, and he was about Majel's age (mid-to-late 40s). But the guy did a poor audition, and Gautreaux was buoyed with confidence for a while. Gautreaux tells the story in Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories.
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Old October 13 2013, 10:13 PM   #19
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Never thought of it as "see, women can be doctor's too!", but more of the "people move up the ranks". Chekov for example is promoted to lieutenant and Cheif of Security. It's the kind of thing I wish the TNG films had shown more of.
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Old October 13 2013, 10:23 PM   #20
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Doctor isn't a rank. You can't get promoted to "Doctor".
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Old October 13 2013, 10:31 PM   #21
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Don't take the phrase literally, I only meant to suggest she moved up on her career and did what she did to become a doctor.
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Old October 13 2013, 10:32 PM   #22
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^ Well, you could be promoted to Chief Medical Officer. In my Gautreaux story, I probably should have said "Chapel's elevation of status".
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Old October 13 2013, 10:36 PM   #23
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Don't take the phrase literally, I only meant to suggest she moved up on her career and did what she did to become a doctor.
You're going to piss off some nurses with that statement. Nursing is a different career than being a doctor.
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Old October 13 2013, 11:03 PM   #24
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I'm a Trek fan, not a doctor/nurse.
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Old October 13 2013, 11:08 PM   #25
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I'm a Trek fan, not a doctor/nurse.
Just letting you know there are fans who are nurses and some of them post here. ( As I found out the hard way )
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Old October 13 2013, 11:14 PM   #26
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Guess I should have used the phrase "I'm a non-doctor/non-nurse, not a doctor/nurse".
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Old October 13 2013, 11:32 PM   #27
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Which is actually one of the reasons why the film is criticized. As much as fans liked seeing the crew reunited, a lot of people have since observed that TMP suffers from trying to make it appear as though only a short amount of time has passed since the end of the five-year mission. The problem is that over ten years have passed for the actors.
Could be. Worse, though, were The Waltons reunion movies, though their problem was actually the opposite. The family aged, but time seemed to move faster than it should have. They're all still reasonably young during the Kennedy assassination?!? Was there a Guardian of Forever portal on Walton's Mountain? If they made more of those movies, I swear there would have been one based the events of 9/11!

In fact, my rough math actually has the family still going strong when Kirk's Enterprise is launched!
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Old October 13 2013, 11:43 PM   #28
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Firstly, it's true that Chapel should really have been a junior doctor for the latter part of the 5-year mission and it isn't very realistic to expect her to become a CMO with so little experience. But since Ensign NuChekov was made Chief Engineer one year out of the Academy, maybe it's just me not understanding just how good humans are at learning in the 23d century.

I don't think the issue is whether it's better to be a doctor or a nurse - military nurses fulfill an extremely important role (as do other nurses). But story-wise it restricted Chapel's development as a character. I think it was a mistake to make her a medical doctor because it achieves almost nothing character-wise. She still, as has been observed, remains an appendage of McCoy. I think it would have made more sense to make her a PHD in bio-science and make her head of the Life Sciences department. While technically being a department that falls under the auspices of both Spock and McCoy, and while in TMP, the only thing that would have been different is McCoy's rant i.e. "I hear Chapels is a PHD now...", the character would at least have had a niche that could have been explored in novels.

I did love the air of authority that Majel bought to TMP compared to how drippy she was in TOS. I would have liked to see more of her in the subsequent movies. It's a shame that things soured a bit behind the scenes.

I wrote a little comic story for Youtube and tried to use Chapel as the more scientific doctor compared to McCoy's 'old country doctor' but they do eat into each others' screen time.
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Old October 14 2013, 01:12 AM   #29
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Why was Chapel dropped after the first movie?
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Old October 14 2013, 01:26 AM   #30
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If she became a Doctor, I certainly hope she had gained a bit more dispassion and professionalism than she had in the series. She had good scenes sometimes (for example, The Lights of Zetar, Obsession, and of course What are Little Girls Made Of?), but these always seem to be undercut by episodes like By Any Other Name, where she practically blows the whistle on the plan to re-take the ship! McCoy wheels Spock into sickbay, and she keeps questioning McCoy's orders, not catching on to something being afoot.

It makes me think of an All in the Family episode, where Archie was trying to clue Edith in on some deception or other. He's blatantly winking at her while he talks, and Edith responds with, "Do you have something in your eye?".
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